Everybody ready enough. No.
All right.
You just give me a second to connect to Zoom. Um Carolyn. I see you ready over. Thank
you.
Sorry, I'm just trying to get everything set up. So I don't have to be multitasking.
Is it not giving me the options for? Oh, well, um good morning everyone. I'll call
this meeting of the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners to order. Um we're still
dealing with a couple of little tech issues but I'm gonna sit next to you. Can I
get started? Um let's see anyone have any announcements before we get started? Mm
ok. Yeah. So we will start this morning with public comment as we always do. We welcome
comments from the public here in the chambers and also from the online from Zoom.
Um We give everybody up to three minutes to speak and they're welcome to comment
directly to the commissioners. It is helpful if they state their name and place of
residence. So it is not required. And um um what was I gonna say? I
can't remember, what did I forget? Place of residence? Uh address us three minutes.
Oh, well, you know the routine um Oh, we will respond to uh all public comments after
they have all been received. So please stick around if uh you make a public comment
and would like to hear a response. So let's start in the room. Would anyone in the
room like to provide public comment? I think tess is gonna um be joining us for a
later agenda item. So it might be the rock.
Ok. So uh continuing on the theme of what you think the definition of a shelter is,
which is a place that you cannot eat, cannot sleep, cannot go to the bathroom because
of duct tape stalls or use showers that are locked and blocked. Um,
so, um, it turns out that a coconspirator for the bubonic
plague is lice that's just in folks on N pr. And, um, you
know, uh they had a uh outbreak of life in the shelter while I was gone.
Uh I came, they had a big deal trying to get rid of it. Uh There's no maintenance
budget so they didn't have any maintenance way of dealing with it. So, uh residents
were stuck on their own trying to figure out how to deal with it. Uh,
um, so I came back and uh my, I usually have two mats, there
was one map missing. So I went to a back shelf and got another mat and, um, it turns
out that map may have been pulled away because it had bed bugs which it still has.
So um 11 of the things uh that happens when you have no maintenance budget because
you've taken all the money and you've done all the up uh to the top of the administration
is that you have no budget for even moderately priced abatement tools such as
sonic tools or infrared tools that are very, very moderately priced. And as
always, I'm sure that uh you will refuse to look into those and the health department
doesn't care. So, um on to the next thing. Oh, yes. Um So
upstairs in the VFW, uh there was this thump drag, thump drag. And
then um a little bit later, uh some water started dripping down along uh
the wiring system near one of the cameras on the far end of the dining area. And
uh there was an 18 inch puddle and um could have been that they were mopping and
uh they spilled some water. Uh So, you know, mice tend to go up and like to chew
on wires. So, uh let's congratulate uh Claudia Sheinbaum on
her uh election. Um uh let's see, only
almost 850 non lethal attacks and 38 election
assassinations to get a woman elected in a country Mexico which has
universal suffrage in their constitution make you believe that. But please uh just
wanted to congratulate her. Uh So, uh then on to, sorry, it's been three
minutes. What? It's been three minutes. No, no, it hasn't.
It's fine. Mm Thank you, Maggie.
Anyone else in the room like to provide public comments? Ok. You will move on to
the zoom room. Anyone in the zoom room which should provide public comment, please
hit raise hand at the bottom of your screen. Can we provide up to three minutes you
can't get on? Oh, yeah,
I'm taking over this here now.
Good morning, Sally somewhere,
right? Bye.
Ok.
Thank you, Shelly. Anyone else in the zoom room would like to provide public comment.
Please hit raise hand at the bottom of the screen.
Last call. All right. Well, we'll do response and then uh, check in again and see
if anyone and it's ready. So any responses? Sure, I can go first. Thank you, Maggie.
Thank you, Shelley for the public comment. Um, uh I guess to, to Maggie first.
Um, you know, it's, it's good to hear the, the issues that are going on down at the
shelter as we talk about an operational change. You know, identifying those things
that can be improved is really critical. Um It looks like we're going to have a voice
of someone in the shelter. The idea is on this policy council that is still kind
of uh in the brainstorm phase. But uh I, I hear your concerns and, and we're, we're
trying to do everything we can to make sure there is a shelter and I guess, you know,
a place to go for anybody that needs a place to go. That's the critical definition
for me. And they should have showers and bathrooms and all the, all the hygiene.
And of course, some of these congregate facilities do have issues that come up and
when we need to attend to them. I'm not sure what the most effective way to deal
with an outbreak of lice is, but it sounds like they did. I mean, often I think it
is removing mattresses and bedding and stuff. So we continue to uh
um I wouldn't be so, thanks Maggie, you had your turn to talk. It's, it's, it's my
turn to respond. Um And you know, I'm going down there again today to, to meet with
Bayside and, and the legion management and, and, you know, coordinating between the
people that occupy the upstairs and the people that occupy the downstairs is something
that we've heard and are, are, are taking, taking very seriously. So the, the work
uh continues and yeah. Good. Good for Mexico. It's uh yeah, following there. Sweet.
II I like the one term as well that you can serve as a, as a Mexican president. So
I thought that was great. Uh to Mr Arnell, uh you know, this conversation has been
ongoing and, you know, the last I heard was, hey, we might need support as we push
this forward. Um I'm happy to, you know, write a letter of support. That's what the
rest of the group wants. To do. I think it probably does mean reducing the speed
limit there down to 35 miles an hour, which if you want people crossing the street
is probably, uh, you know, uh, a realistic, uh limit for the watchdog to have. So
I think you have to have that conversation too. How are you going to get from, uh,
what would wash dot do with the, with the speed limit throughout? Um, but yeah, I'd,
I'd be happy to, uh, write a letter of support to, to wash.in support of a, a crosswalk
there. It's been a community issue for many years answer
and I would be hap I would be happy to support that letter. I've heard this concern
for longer than I've been a commissioner. Um, both in quilting and Brennan getting
across 101 and it's always been a washed out issue. So, um, I have to say I just
learned about a emergency at my house that I need to go deal with. Um, a
water pipe burst and not, not my house, but my mom's house and no one's in the house
and it's probably been leaking for days. So, um I'll stay for a few more minutes.
So we get done with public comment and then maybe step away for consent and just
try and manage it from my phone first. Yeah. No. Take care of your business. Are
you sure you don't wanna go? I mean, to get someone on site that can go and turn
off the main. Uh Yeah. Ok, because let's get that turned off for it's more important
than a Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm gonna leave after we get done with all the
um. All right. Um uh Thank you for folks public comment, Maggie. Um you know, I think
you, you bring up important points and especially when we're talking about creating
a budget for new operations, just how important it is that we're realistic about
the, you know, kinds of things where we need to be prepared to deal with. And um
you know, having there be um uh pests with potential health, uh human health impacts
is obviously uh um something that we should be concerned about. So, um I want you
now and getting some, so and we'll look into some, some uh
some options. So I'm gonna keep, I'm gonna keep moving on just so we can, how you
get out of here. Uh So we gonna, I'm gonna move on. Um how stepping out to deal with.
Uh we've had, you had your time, I'm sorry to try to give everybody a fair time to
deal with any of the maintenance problems in the BFW. So it's just, it's an interesting
contrast. OK. Um uh Shelly, the crosswalk in Britain. Um It could be
interesting to, to talk to Monty about this. Um You know, being a, a cyclist, I
experience a lot of things from the perspective of a pedestrian. And I am shocked
at how um poorly a lot of drivers are behaving, I think more and more these days,
some would say cyclists too. And that's fair criticism. Um Just last week I stood
and uh on my bike watching at an ad adjacent crosswalk, a man with a walk, very elderly
man with a walker, no car stopped for him to cross. And you know, maybe he should
have been more aggressive and actually start moving out into the street to be seen.
But the only time I've ever been hit was walking through a crosswalk. Um, and the,
the thing about crosswalks, you know, why, why watch dot won't put them on, um, on
their roads over 35 miles an hour is because it is too hard to tell when somebody
is stopping and there are a ton of collisions in that situation and when they are,
they are they cause a lot of injury at high speed. And so, um, you know, I just think
we want to be cautious about what we're supporting that. It's, um, you know, some,
some data to back it up. I agree dropping the speed limit, um, things like the flashing
lights over a crosswalk to improve the efficacy. But, um, we, we're, I don't know
how we solve this with the, um, Larry Scott Trail or ODT Crossing Highway 20. But
same thing, I mean, when there's, it's actually considered safer to not have a crosswalk
if pedestrians don't have the illusion that cars are going to stop, it's actually
safer if they have to make sure there's enough, you know, time and space for them
to cross. And that's, um, counterintuitive and it's, it doesn't speak well to humans.
But, um, it's what the data says. So, can I add one more thing to that? I, there
was another situation in Port Ludlow where some folks approached me about wanting
to lower extend the 25 mile an hour speed limit slower. We're likely all going to
hear from them now because I talked to Monte and heard the same thing that, you know,
crosswalks give people a fall sense of security. If people are unfamiliar with the
road, the same way, it looks like a 35 mile an hour road. So reducing it to 25 means
that some people go 25 and then some people aggressively pass over double lines because
they think this point they're going so slow on this road. So the psychology of how
people are going to respond to those is really uncertain. And uh a crosswalk. Yeah,
the false sense of security it gives is causes more. That's what, uh, Monty said
as well. I do think that at this location it's, it's a, you got to be able to get
across highway 101. So whether it's an underpass that goes with the, uh, you know,
one of the channels, I mean, there's big work that, that we're talking about doing
down there. And so a pedestrian underpass seems like that, you know, a good downstream
thing. But I, now you're spot on, we should talk to our county engineer for making
a recommendation and he's probably listening to us and in Quilcene it's nice because
there's the school zone and people do seem to respect school zones more. So, I almost
wonder if there's a, you know, Britain school is not that far off the highway, you
know, although not, not a lot of people live on the water side of 101. Um And uh
Tammy might have things to me. And you too. She does Britain's uh topography better
than anyone probably. All right. Last call for public comments in the Zoom room.
One else wanna weigh in on crosswalks, bad drivers, bad cyclists.
All right. I won't close public comments. I'll be back. Ok. Don't trip and um good
luck steal your internet. Yeah. What's mine? Is yours? Well, now, does that mean
I have to deal with the Big Foot Proclamation alone?
Yeah. Uh let's, let's look at agenda first. I'm gonna put that off as long as I can.
You know, we didn't do the Eric Johnson Proclamation but, but Big foot. Right? Wed
the Eric. Yeah. And we put it on consent
and Eric Johnson exists. So we, we have scientific evidence that Eric Johnson exists
unlike big. But um that is true. All right. Um we have a consent agenda. Anything
we wanna call out? It was sorry, I'm just trying to get into. Um Heidi is here. I
have 11 question maybe while you're looking. Yeah. Well, one number seven I thought
is that, I don't think we're pointing Steve Brown into the Olympic area agency on
aging, but rather to the advisory board, it's just a little, it says it in the subject
line but then
uh that's the format we usually use um for what board that they will be sitting on.
Ok. Is there a difference between three and three advisory board sits on three A
and then the advisory board, there's three people from each county. So just to maybe
clarify it as we would, I mean, it's clear in the subject line clear in the letter,
the letter is not, we don't do that for personal information.
But yeah, let me double check just to make sure. Hm, I have one question. I'm hoping
Mark can answer um, on the forest thinning. Do we know um, where that thinning is
gonna happen? Um I, I think she has two or three sites. I can't recall where they
are.
I know Hollywood now.
Sorry, I, I can get you that info though. Regarding the advisory board appointment,
the letter also doesn't um outline that it's for the advisory board. We can update
the letter that you haven't seen anyway, uh and make sure that that gets changed
or added so pull that right now. Um I would say you can approve it and then staff
will update the letter that gets sent out. Ok. Um I see we have a resignation on
the ferry advisory committee. Um Yeah. Um That's gonna, I think we have somebody
who's not participating too, so we're gonna have a couple of spots to fill on that.
I think these are all in district one. So I will work on that with Mr Tier.
I, I still don't understand how we're going to increase our carbon sequestration
by 40%. Do we have any? How, how do we do that? We have, we are almost all trees
already. So we're going to increase our sequestration 40%. Yeah, I mean, I think,
you know, we learned that the, the work we're doing with DNR is gonna be what, 20
some percent of that right off the top. Um We have now have a cap invest program
in the state. I think that's going to incentivize a change in forest management.
Um I know, I know that we went through this. I know it is better to set aspirational
goals or is it better to set goals that, you know, you can reach? It's kind of like
the Bigfoot Proclamation. All right, I'll leave some of the myth and the mystery
there. Ok. Well, just so, you know that this is also on the city council agenda for
tonight. So if there were to be any changes we'd have to come over the city right
away.
Ok. I found um, the strategic plan uh for timber, uh Elmira and Hadlock uh scheduled
this year and then um Bide in Camp George next year. Ok. I
don't know where Ho Park, Elmira. It's probably in Park. There's a couple of parcels
over there just, you know, across from H A Carol Park is probably one of the more
in there I would assume. I, I don't know, I don't know where Elmira is. I assume
that was just a name with some pun that we don't get like the DNR naming convention.
You see the 100,000 going to the the shelter. Yeah, I'm glad to
see Karen Nara. Um getting reappointed to the County Park Center Creation Advisory
Board. She's a rock star
and of course, calling out that we're gonna have a hearing on, on June 17th. Right?
Yeah, regarding um fire danger risk and restriction modeling, which we always seem
to be doing this when it's pouring rain outside. I know, but then it stops telling
my wife we we're in a drought and you're gonna have to start watering less and not
burn anything. Yeah. OK. Doke. Um Well, I'm happy to uh move that we approve and
adopt the consent agenda as presented with the form aforementioned Scrivens changes
for signatures on number seven. I will second any further discussion. All those in
favor consent agenda is passed with one minor amendment. Um
Let's see, we have about 20 minutes until our briefing and conservation futures and
no hiding. So,
um should we maybe do the update on the uh shelter? Sure. I don't have much of an
update but um Bayside is still moving forward. They have not uh balked. Um I think
they still have some due diligence to do so. I know they've been out there one time
and I'm gonna meet them out there today to meet with both Robert Zarin who kind of
manages the, the American Legion, as well as other social service agency providers
who kind of talk nuts and bolts about operations. But uh Mark has a three way mou
that we got out last week that I think is on everyone's desk. I think Bayside approved
it basically ok, explicitly. So, but he said they reviewed it with the board and
they're ready to proceed. So I'm assuming that they're good with it and, and of course
you sent it to the Legion and then Phillips taking a look and then regarding the
contract, we're um the rental contract. Um I'm meeting with Philip this week and
Mark to talk about those utilities that they kind of pushed back on some of the changes
we suggested talking about. Really, they're just, they're just trying to, you know,
there's a lot more propane used with the hot water showers and, and the kitchen that's
used downstairs than upstairs. So they think that the um, ratios in the original
contract are appropriate. So we're taking another look at that and see if we can't
find a way to you cut the baby in half a half or so. But it's, it's moving along,
you know, we're still, still, we're not looking right now at county operations. And
so most of our staff are, are kind of not working on it at this point and we're just
making sure that we can still get that C A and we'll probably have Bayside at the
C A with us. This is the goal is that, would you say? That's right, Mark. Do you
think Bay Side will be at the cam? Uh We will invite them so I need to follow up
with them. We don't have a date. I submitted the application week before last one.
It take, I was hoping it would occur before I leave on vacation. Right? It might
not. OK. We'll get the right people there and that, that's the update there. Great,
good news.
Uh Should we do some briefing?
I think we have some guests for the Proclamation online. Oh, really? Do you see uh
Becca Jones
or anyone that looks like Lincoln Elementary?
Now, there are, I recognize, I think everybody out here. Can you keep an eye out
for Rebecca Jones or Miss June?
Um You're not, not in favor of uh supporting those things which can't be uh pinned
down. I'm having a hard time with the proclamation. I, I went back and listened to
the N Pr story, um Boston college professor who just wrote a book about Bigfoot.
And, um, I'm, I'm trying to embrace the, the mystery and the unknown, but I'm, I'm
struggling with how to reconcile that with our work and role here. Um Me and my,
I, yeah. No. Um, and we, you know, we honor the um
beliefs of our tribal neighbors and, you know, even though they maybe don't reconcile
with our, our kind of western ideas of, of what is fact. And so
it's, I, I, I've spent way too much time worrying about it over the weekend. I, I'm
glad to hear that it's been thought through,
but we can wait, especially if we don't have our, our, our guests. Yeah. Right. Ok.
But can we do some briefing? Yeah. Except, I don't know, the internet is still not
working here. Let me get on my account. Oh, success.
You gotta go. Is it possible? Of course. Yeah. I think I'm the only one who knows
how to find the waterman at mom's house. Ok. It's under the house. Oh, no. All right.
Yeah. Go take care of that. You're gonna have a big problem. One comment, period
here. All right guys. All right. Good luck Eisenhower needs to leave to take care
of a household emergency. Good luck. Thanks. Mhm. All right.
Um, I can look back, let's see with you guys last
Monday. Oops, that's the wrong month.
Um, yeah, Tuesday. Oh, right. Last Tuesday. So I put that back in there. Ok.
The pud deals with it.
Let's see.
All right, Tuesday the 20th. Yes, here with you guys a short week for me. Uh, and
I missed, because I was with you guys, the South South County harm reduction meeting.
Uh, and, uh, had a brief meeting with the Olympic Consortium Board. Oh, no, wait,
we, we missed one other member. Didn't go to our makeup meeting at, at the lunch
hour, so we couldn't get our business done. It's strange OCB uh requires all three
commissioners to, for a forum.
So didn't get that work done, but we did end up voting online to the consensus online
voting. So on Wednesday, uh I had the Shelter Coalition meeting, Bayside, uh and
the conversation about them doing the management took uh center stage for that. Um
But it's going along well and really, you know, Coast uh affirmed, um, Pastor Melanie
Jackson was there and she's a treasurer for Coast and she affirmed that all the existing
uh equipment and, and, you know, everything that's there is going to stay. They want
to continue to and they're going to work with base two to talk about the uh food
donation. And it sounds like a lot of the churches are still very interested in that
in kind food contribution. Um as we were kind of hoping for, to, to make the budget
work. Um Then we had a rehearsal for the $50 million interview that we're having
tomorrow with Recompete. Uh And, and uh that's going
well, I've got so two tomorrow, we'll, we'll, we'll do that two hour virtual interview
um without a project that we've exactly got our name on. We're sort of there at the
end to talk about leadership and coordinations. Um I went to a meeting briefly with
Mr Hunsucker and Phil cir about some, uh, citizen, uh, issues with the Portland
golf course. And then on Thursday, I was pretty much at the short
week. So, um, I did not go to Jeff com. I was kinda out on vacation, went out to
Orcas Island. So I kept working on stuff for the healthier together, but it was not
able to go to the celebration at Mason Street or, or anything else. So that was really
my week, short week and I do see, we have, uh, Miss Jones with us now. All right,
I can't, can't delay any longer. We will go back to briefing, but we will, um, first
consider a proclamation recognizing and honoring Bigfoot. So, all you Greg me,
let me get my, I'm, I'm still trying to get onto the internet here. Heidi just took
her computer. Oh, do you have one?
Um, yes, you bring, uh, bec over in her class. He's ok. Great. Well,
uh, so Bigfoot, uh, unfortunately, I'm not sure when Miss Jones and, and and her
class joined, but Commissioner Eisenhower had an emergency with a leaky, a leaky
pipe. So I had to. Oh, there she is. Hello.
And you can unmute when after, after we're through and we'd love to hear from you.
So this has not been a, an uncontroversial proclamation. You know, Commissioner Eisenhower
seems ok with it. Commissioner Dean is, is I hope coming around, um the lack of
scientific proof of Bigfoot's existence is, is uh challenging for, for us in the,
in the, in the public sector. Um which is why when confronted with your uh proclamation,
the, the fifth grade class out there in, in Hokum. Is that right? You guys in Hoquiam?
Yeah. Uh All right. Uh, they, they sent us a proclamation, uh asking to protect Bigfoot
as several other counties around us have done and I, I took some liberties with the
text and add a little bit more of the, the mystery and the myth because I, I looked
to Bigfoot a lot like, uh, I looked to the Lorax as uh Loch Ness. Well, I'm not sure
what the message of Loch Ness is. The Lora Ax is a very clear message. So I, I like,
I like that as a better uh analog but yeah, I mean Loch Ness as well. Um Well, we'll
come back to that with the Loch Ness Proclamation. Um, but uh Bigfoot has a lot of,
um, you can really think on it and I I shared a video I've made, interviewed many
people who have, uh, had encounters with Bigfoot or believe that they have and, and
have, uh, had life changing impacts usually for the better. I've not experienced
Bigfoot or seen any evidence of Bigfoot. But I think regardless, we're better for
it and if we do find Bigfoot that we should protect them. So, with that, maybe we,
uh, read the proclamation and we'll turn it over to Miss Jones in her class for any
reactions they wanna give. Sure. All right, you want me to start. Yeah, go for it.
A proclamation, recognizing and honoring Bigfoot. Whereas legends, sightings research,
investigation and recognition by various counties in various states, including Washington
support the notion that Bigfoot A K A Sasquatch Yeti and Giant Harry Ape exist. And
whereas it is crucial to safeguard and preserve the potential existence of Bigfoot
for the purpose of advancing research into the verification of this particular creature.
And whereas Jefferson County desires that its residents recognize the need to protect
Bigfoot if it exists. And whereas Joseph Campbell wrote that quote, every myth is
a psychological, is psychologically symbolic. Its narratives and images are to be
read, therefore, not literally but as metaphors. And whereas even if Bigfoot does
not exist, the idea and folklore behind Bigfoot, bring attention to our stewardship
of the natural landscape and reinforce the mystery and metaphor that Bigfoot represents
and now therefore be it resolved that the Jefferson county board of commissioners
hereby requests that all citizens of Jefferson County recognize this county as a
refuge for Bigfoot to provide both protection and security to any undiscovered life
and to learn to appreciate the mystery and myth of this world proclaimed this third
day of June 2024. I will move that we approve and adopt the proclamation as written.
I was second. Um And I guess we'll go ahead and take a vote on it and then invite
our, our guests to say a few words. So all those in favor say, iii, I can't look
at all those cute faces and, hw, and not
all right. Um, well, Miss Jones, we'll, we'll turn it over to you in your class.
Now. We'd love to hear, you know, how, how did this come about? And, and what are
your guys'? Why did you guys get on the, the Bigfoot bandwagon? All right. Well,
can I see a, can I see a show of hands who believes in Bigfoot in the classroom?
Mhm. And who doesn't believe, be strong? Who doesn't believe in Bigfoot? Oh, be strong.
It's all right. Sometimes finding, finding space to disagree as well is really important
and being able to talk through it.
And I'll say too, I had a chance and we had all of the fourth graders from, uh, the,
uh, elementary school in Port Townsend come to the courthouse a few weeks ago. And,
um, I was explaining my job and what I do. And so I got their input on whether we
should do this proclamation and they had a lot of the same questions and conversations
and it sounds like all of you did. You know if, if we aren't sure if something exists,
do we support it? And, you know, there were times that we didn't know that things
like um bacteria existed and, you know, sometimes it takes science a
little while to catch up and sometimes the there is belief involved in um in making
good policy. So our, our elementary school talked about it too. So thank you for
bringing it to our attention. The All right. Anything else? No, thanks a lot. Anything
to add. No, I'm good.
Ok. Thank you, Becca. Thank you, Miss Jones. Thank you. Thank you. Have a great day.
Ok,
bye. Mhm. All right. Uh We still got five more minutes before our briefing on
translation futures. So, um let's see. I could try and go through my week last week
also a short week because of the holiday on Monday with you all on Tuesday and Wednesday
with a number of uh constituents interesting met with the psychedelic society also
something we can't necessarily see and measure. But we're hearing. Is it important
um medicine and behavioral health tool? Um, uh I met with Shannon Burns from Juvenile
Services to talk about uh uh the State Senate Committee, Human Health Services is
coming here next week. To, uh, to our, um, er, House L 360 Proctor House some other
sites. So I planned our, um, talking points for that. Um, it was quite a
big, mm, mm, disagreement at the state level about how to deal with, um, youth
who, who, you know, needs some sort of detention and what the appropriate scale of
that is. We, of course, have a very unique model here with our Proctor House. Um,
I mean, like hardcore incarceration is kind of out of favor with everyone or is out
of favor with. Um I mean, there's quite a few Democrats would like to do away with
any sort of uh youth detention, especially incarceration. Um But um it's interesting,
even, even our own juvenile services department would say how important it is that
um when you are really in crisis and at risk of hurting themselves and others that
they need to be in a very secure environment. Um But how to make that a therapeutic
environment, of course, is the question and you know, it's easy to kind of uh uh
just assume that we need to close all of those facilities. But folks who work in
that field say, hey, we need options. Um So trying to have a more nuanced conversation
about that topic and we do provide a cool model here that they're interested in seeing
a model that is hard to replicate on a large scale. So to be realistic about that,
um let's see, um s spent a fair amount of time last week working on myriad
fairgrounds issues. They are, you know, uh lesion and keep coming. So,
um that all is all is, well, there just lots of things to work through as a kind
of start up organization. Uh Let's see, preparing for a p some partnership leadership
council meeting, which is, uh I'll be gone two days this week at that meeting. Um
I feel like I'm forgetting something. Oh, and uh Friday spent quite a bit of time
uh talking with folks from uh Fort Worthen. It's uh continues to be a number of struggles
there and operations and had a good meeting of the strategic partners to
review a report that will be, I think released to the public this week that I'll
pass along everybody to read. Um We funded the Economic Impact report, which was
the preliminary results were published, which shows um just within, within Jefferson
County, the economic impact of the Ford is estimated to be about $83 million in terms
of the um activity that it generates. Um So obviously an important part of
our um economy and our tax base. Um But still really this fundamental question of
how, how to make the operations uh pay for themselves and the structure as we have
it right now is uh we're required to have the PD A, you know, state Parks wanna contract
with somebody who's very, you know, it has the accountability of the public um
organization which PD A does under the city's umbrella. Um You have the nonprofit
Hospitality Group and then also the foundation, those are three separate boards.
Uh foundation is all uh volunteer, but the other two have executive directors and,
and used to be all together. Right. The two, because they used to be one business.
Now there are two businesses in the foundation, correct? And when it was one business,
there were challenges because it was two very different missions, hard to um kind
of m manage the need to make money with the need to be mission driven, which is partly
why they were split. But now I think there's a little more understanding that we
need the money and both. Yeah. Yeah. And that and that it's just not sustainable
and that if we're, you know, thinking about kind of uh shared interest, that potential
outcome for everybody involved, then maybe we can get past that kind of uh dichotomy
of uh of values. So um the state is very involved in, you know, kind of deciding
what they're comfortable with. So it's not like this is a decision that can be made
locally. But um if the report that will be uh made available soon, um will, you know,
really outline some of the barriers and challenges and hopefully we'll have some
recommendations for next steps. Um but it feels pretty existential right now. The
the the Fort is really uh in a fragile place. So stay tuned. Interesting. I mean,
can I, can I ask one question about that? I mean, I'm guessing the hospitality is
doing great. No, not great, not great. They, um the hospitality can stay afloat if
they don't have to take on a lot of the capital, which is largely deferred maintenance,
much less kind of modern upgrades which a lot of people uh you know, expect in hospitality.
So, yes, it's so long as they're not burdened with all of the together again and
it doesn't, it's a non functioning, you know, non sustainable revenue stream, expense,
stream with both of them together. Yes, when there is the need for so much capital
improvement there. And the PD is the group through the state that's responsible for
the capital. Yeah. And the state, the state has, I think, you know, they said just
in, I don't know, since, well, they, they have, they've contributed millions and
millions of dollars to the Fort as well. So, you know, it's not just the PD A handling
that, but that's really the, the main question is how to bring in and they think
they've identified 300 or $350 million are needed to um really get that place up
and running and $50 million. Yeah. So over 10 years. So, you know, that's the question
do you bring in, how do you bring in other types of investments? Is that federal?
Is it private? So, um yeah, it's gonna continue to be a um yeah, a challenge for
local folks and I think people need to keep an open mind as to what, what the future
could look like that. We've been very protective of it as a, you know, hyperlocal
resource, but we can't support it entirely and the state even feels like they can't
support it entirely. We need some other investment. So, um All right, Mark will come
back to your um uh briefing if that's ok, because we are at the 945 Mark for our
briefing. Um Tammy, we'll welcome you up and I assume are Joanne and Tessa both joining
you? Yes. And also uh seriously is here a long time. They excited to come in. Many
member Rick Yankee is here as well and uh you may have already met. Oh, there, there's
other people online I brought over Michael Dawson. Anyone else else you come over?
Uh I don't know if you know if you're expecting, I'm not expecting anyone to have
it in particular, although all the committee members were welcome to Peter bales.
Is there too? Oh, great. Yeah, Peter would do as well. Um So I just wanted to briefly
introduce Tressel Lindquist who's been working with us since uh February and tremendous
support to the committee and his work and I'll just uh welcome you up. Hm.
Ok. Uh My name is Joanne Pan. We met um online in the past few years. But this is
my first time being in person. It's great. Um I'm the committee chair for the 2024
cycle. And yeah, we were presented with three really amazing projects. This year
two of them were from the Jefferson New Trust, one was from the Northwest Water Institute.
Um And all the projects we found worthy of funding and um really upheld the
values that we see as conservation features. Um, so we were really grateful for our
sponsors for presenting such great projects. Um We unfortunately did not have enough
money to fund all the projects in full, um, that we wish we could and we
decided to fund the turbo. Um, well, like Preserve West Low fourth edition
at, uh, 100 and 50,000, which was what they were asking for. Um, they ranked the
highest with our spring system. Um And then we chose to give the remainder of the
funds to the humble Bery Farm project which is also done in ping, um, with 100 and
$40,000
with up to 12,000 in operation maintenance funding and the rest, you know, they can
really spend it in whichever way makes sense for them, but they asked for 12,000
in L and M. So we granted them that and the rest was for just general acquisition.
Um Unfortunately, the deer foot forest projects we were unable to fund although it
was also the beautiful forest to be in and they had a really great vision as well.
Um I hope that we are able to fund in the future if the Jefferson man trust brings
that forward again. Yeah. Are there any questions?
Um it's always a challenge when you have three good projects and not enough funds
to fund them, I guess. Can you talk a little bit? Usually you guys bring back uh
consensus recommendations. I thought there were a couple where like for the second
one, maybe it was there just a disagreement about which was second scoring or can
you talk about the kind of how you ended up? The Humble Bery Farm? Yeah, it was like
7 to 1 and then it was unanimous and how much funding, I think. But it was um let
me try to remember it. I think
a disagreement,
it's not critical if it doesn't come to mind, I guess, I think there was disagreement
because the amount of space that was gonna be allowed for um Donovan Creek to meander
was not specified. Um And that was kind of the biggest part. Most of us, everyone
else felt that um given the conversations we had with both the sponsors and the landowners
that we felt pretty confident that they were gonna really take the ecological benefit
for the salmon um into consideration when they're working on their, on their group
and or, you know, just creating that buffer and whether it's a meander or whether
it's just more of a buffer, you know, we just trusted them to really make a good
decision on that because we saw that it was something that was really important to
them. Ok. No, that makes sense. Thank you. I was amazed to see the, um, tracking
of the Cougar, um, throughout the region. I had no idea. They traveled so far a large,
um, territory and to see a family of four Cougar together, I've never heard of that
either. So, yeah, it was great to get to see that. There's um, yeah, those numbers.
Yeah.
Um So today is a briefing because we will be having a hearing at a later date. Um
Is that we have that tell me is the timing for the, yeah, the hearing is scheduled
for the 24th. Great tomorrow. So that would be published on Wednesday. Thank you
said June 24th. So great to say one more thing about the Cougar. I thought it was
really cool too. Have you ever seen that CBC Canadian Broadcasting? Did this uh attract
a bear from 2001 to 2009, bear 71? You could like see you could watch on a map and
how it came close to people and everything or this giant map. It's, it's a really
cool interactive experience, but to me, I look forward to hearing it's uh I'm pretty
confident,
um, does the Conservation Futures Committee have any position on Bigfoot. Um, I haven't
talked about it as a group, so it's hard to, I mean, I, I think we're protecting
habitat right now. Honestly, I think Rick might have some
that feels like the most important thing. Right? Whether they're there or not, you
know, if we, as long as we make space, I'll just, I'll share my screen so everybody
can see the, this is one Cougar. Is that right? That was tracked. Um This is in our
materials. So it was fascinating how far they went and seemed to have a penchant
for um protected areas. And this is almost, you know, it's the tracks pretty well
like you went to down south there into more of rain here own. Um, but largely uh
areas of the land trust has protected them like this watershed. It, yeah. Ok. I've
just shown the family of four. So LC three there, apparently there's 1/4 of that
family log on the back there. Oh, ok. And how, um, I mean, do they don't stay in
the family groups for long? Do they have, they, they brought an individual that about
18 months from their mom
can and Big Bull elk. I was a farmer in taboo for a long time. So I can
appreciate all this except the elk eating our commercial raspberry crop, the whole
thing. Um, well, it doesn't take much. They just have to, you know, eat all the tops
and flowers and the year out. So great. All right. Well, thank you so much. Thanks
for supporting this program. Seems like it really does a lot of good work, real positive
impact. I appreciate everyone's work towards this. Yeah, and we'll be hearing a lot
more in the hearing on the 24th. Any other committee members want to share anything
about process or results or no? All right,
sir. If you want to come on up.
Good morning, I'm Sarah Spa with Jefferson Land Trust. I live at 117 Flicker Road
in Port Town. And once again, just thank you. Thank the county so much. And the commissioner
so much for your support of this program, it's so critical. It's not a lot of money,
but as I said, in the past, it provides a really important piece of match and I just
wanted to stress um that one of the beauties of this program in particular is that
it does cover multiple conservation benefits, unlike so many of our other state or
federal grants, which are specific to farmland preservation or salmon habitat or
working forest land. This because it allows for multiple conservation benefits is
so important. And I just really wanted to bring that up and also bring up the fact
that I'm noticing that a lot of our grants are getting more and more challenging
in terms of application process and bureaucratic systems. And I have, I have appreciated
that conservation teachers has been a fairly straightforward process. And I know
our committee is considering some updates and suggestions to the commissioners. And
I would just hope that the commissioners can keep in mind that, um, we wanna keep
it as straightforward and simple as possible. So I appreciate that. And then I have
to say that, um, I'm, I've been following the whole Cougar thing very closely and,
um, and also have been struck by how much use there is by these
collar cats that are part of the Olympic Cougar project of these protected properties.
And I've been out to different kill sites with Panthera, um who's one of the main
partners and a lot of them are on these, these properties that are protected and
it's been really cool to see one of the cats, uh whose name was Bjorn was born in
closing came all the way up to the corporate peninsula, went all the way down to
Southwest Washington, tried to cross the Columbia River, then came all the way back
up, then went out to Laroche, traveled down the coast and then ended up in the Wa
River Valley before his collar came up. So they travel far and wide, particularly
these sub adults who are trying to find a place where they're not competing with
the older males. So, pretty interesting stuff. Yeah. Anyway, thank you. So, as an
avid tracker, any big foot um studies or really have not noticed any big foot tracks
yet. I, you know, I, I'm sure that there are people out there that would expect for
you to find them. So they're four dimensional veins. That's why you don't see. Right.
Yeah, that they, they, they you all before they leave inside. Thank
you again. Take care. OK. Anything else?
Ok. Well, thank you all. We look forward to the hearing.
Great.
All right. Where are we? Um a little about 15 minutes till um our
workshop I Closure of Sandy Shore Lake Road. Hi, Monte. Thanks for being here. Um
Mark, you wanna do your briefing? Sure. So only uh three days last week to talk about.
Uh Wednesday. I had a one on one with Brent Butler and then they attended the Shelter
Coalition meeting and then I met with Ben from facilities to go over the project
list, which is substantial. And then we had a, a labor um strategy session
with Sheriff Noel, uh under Sheriff Pernsteiner and jail superintendent David Fortino.
And of course was Sarah, our hr director and on a Thursday busy day, um, a two hour
check com admin board meeting that Stewart continues to do a great job.
Then. The opioid planning retreat, impressive event, lots of uh important people
in the room and uh a lot of involvement on the part of staff and uh invited guests.
Um I had to leave early. I wanted to attend the Mason Street neighborhood, uh celebration,
uh which was well attended and it's gonna be a great thing. Mhm. And
then, uh, no agenda review. We did that by email and then on Friday
Weekly with Josh Peters and that wrapped up my week. Great. Um,
all right. So I wonder, I wonder if we could put Monte on the spot and, uh, ask him
the question that was brought up in public comment today. Yeah. Um, Brennan. Yeah.
Um, if you don't mind joining us since we've got a little time, um, there you probably
know about the effort in Brennan to try to get a um, crosswalk over 101 which of
course is washed up jurisdiction, not yours. But um, uh you know, we kind of, that
was brought to our attention in public comment this morning and we talked about kind
of the challenges and risks of crosswalks on high-speed roads. And, um, we were asked
to write a letter of support and I said we should probably talk with you first, just
make sure that we're considering um all of the options. So do you mind just kinda
briefly telling us how, how you consider crosswalks in these situations? And can
I add one more to the context? So, Wash dot And talking with them is saying that
they wouldn't put a crosswalk in unless the speed limit was reduced from 40 to 35
down there where it goes through town. So it's really, I think that's the kind of
the idea that we're considering supporting is uh crosswalk, you know, a letter to
the state supporting a, a growing effort to try to get a crosswalk and I would assume
lowered speed limits.
Yeah, I think that the board could support that in this case. I mean, uh, you know,
crosswalks, we get a lot of requests for them. They're, they're, uh, and we can't
accommodate most of those because they're not appropriate in most locations they,
um, are expensive to maintain for one. And the problem can be with crosswalks that
they promote a false sense of security. So for instance, we don't have one crossing
South Discovery Road at the Larry Scott Trail because
we feel that in studies which show that pedestrians will step out in a crosswalk,
believing cars are going to stop for them because pedestrians have the right of way.
That may be a good theory, but you only get one shot to test it. Um And so it's
safer for the pedestrians to stop and we have stop signs on the Larco Trail and wait
for a gap in traffic. Now in downtown Seattle on, uh what is it Elliot Way waterfront?
You're never gonna get a gap in the traffic. So they spent hundreds of thousands
of dollars to install pedestrian crossings with all the activated lighting and, and
stuff that, that requires so that traffic is forced to stop and provide that gap
in a rural situation like Brennan. Uh the driver's not gonna be expecting a pedestrian
So, you know, it's only gonna work with uh a lot of advanced signing and flashing
lights and things that, you know, start to add to the cost. Um I think the analysis
of any crosswalk location has to start with how much crossing is actually happening,
right? You're not gonna do that because one person a day wants to cross the highway.
But in Brandon they have events and activities that occur on both sides and, you
know, they have the fuel station and things like that. So the, you know, the do dot
Will have to look at all those things and, uh, but I, you know, I don't think dropping
the speed limit five miles an hour is inappropriate if they're going to install a
cross in there. But it's gonna have to be done, right? Because pain won't keep you
from getting, from getting killed. Right? I mean, the pain is very obvious to the
pedestrian as a driver. You can't see that pain on the road when you're 300 yards
away from the crossing. You don't know there's a crosswalk there and you're not expecting
one because you're in this study though, highway, right? So, uh, it does take, uh,
more than just paint and it's never paint as thermoplastic, you know, which has to
be maintained as a machine. But, um, you know, it could be done there. I mean, I
think those, the Brandon residents that are advocating for this have pointed out
that there are some crosswalks in hoods sport and there are those feel more
appropriate because you're, you're forced to really slow down. There's a lot of development
on both sides of the road, there's curves in the road that are stacked like ch can,
there's a lot of signals to a driver that I should be going slower through here and
I might encounter a pedestrian versus the wide, straight away that runs through Brennan.
You know, but, you know, I think the board could support the concept and let
the P RT know, I think that would be
one of the other precipitating events that's I think renewed the interest in it.
And I know it's been an ongoing conversation down there is that there's a new coffee
shop that has been permitted where the bathroom is across the street so that the
employees have to literally to use the restroom when they're at work, have to cross
that road to, to go back and forth. And so there's neighborhood speculation as well
that, that uh the traffic, the pedestrian traffic across the road will increase precipitously
as that as amenities grow on both sides. I think that and again, I think that we,
you know, we support this proposal. But I think that people no matter where they
are, if they're the ones having to cross the road, they, they sometimes feel that
a crosswalks the
the answer on that should be provided. But I think people ought to remember that.
For instance, on the sr 19, you know, uh, roadie drive from, say,
from Prospect Avenue down through Fort Hadlock and everything, there's only mailboxes
on one side of the road. People have to walk across three lanes of traffic to get
their mail. And that the same is true from the airport up to you haul their mail
delivery is only on one side of the road. So there are people, some of them now that
mobile crossing 23 lanes of traffic every day just to get their mail and they're
not gonna get a crosswalk at each mailbox, right? So they have to be the crosswalks
just can't be everywhere, right? It has to be strategic and there has to be a reason
and then it has to be done, right? You know, with the lighting, both overhead lighting
and flashing lighting and those kinds of things to, to really
provide the additional safety, which is what people are after, right? Yeah. And we
wanna encourage folks to be walking and experiencing my community on foot too. So,
yeah. Yeah. Ok. Thank you. Um uh Where did, where did the ODT trail project land
with the crossing of highway 20? Yeah. Where are we at? With that? It's a, it's an
a crosswalk with rapid flashing beacons and, and that um at the section
section on the north side there, I mean, we had advocated that a full signal
for both traffic and pedestrians, you know, like a four way stop, the, a solution
there. But the dot hasn't. Um, yeah, and they don't build those anymore, do they?
They prefer roundabouts and then that gets a little bigger project. And I'm not convinced
roundabouts are actually better for pedestrians. Um, you know, I could see that evolving
in time but for now it'll be a great crosswalk with, with flashing beacons. Um,
and, uh, you can't let that issue stand in the way and get the rest of that project
done, you know, particularly the part from the Pud to Anderson Lake, which is the
bulk of that project, you know, which we have funding for, which has a deadline to
expect. And lastly, have you ever seen any sign of Big Foot? And Jefferson Kate
still stinging from our Bigfoot proclamation earlier? We have people
from the company here. Maybe
I have not seen any, no, not big. And you spend a lot of time in the wilderness.
I don't know, Greg. We've got some like serious um wilderness folks. I mean, have
you ever been seen by a Bigfoot? That's a different question. I, you know, he as
a proclamation to protect Bigfoot, I struggled because I, I am very rational but
Greg Greg is, wants to protect the mythological. I have interviewed very many people
who have, who have encountered Bigfoot and uh have uh and it's affected them very
profoundly. So, you know, I think that uh one of my favorite books is, is William
James, the the varieties of religious experience. And in that William James talks
about how the experience of faith is where you get the value of it. So, you know,
I'm not equating big foot to, you know, like a, like a God or anything. But
there is the four dimensional theory does say that they are the nesh of an alien
human hybrid that during the times of the Bible were written down as, as angels because,
and, and Nesher because of that, they didn't reconcile with our understanding of
the world. I I can go on. No, I think I need a quick fire break before we jump in.
But I will say, I mean, I like very much respect our, the, the tribe's um
understanding of how nature works in mythological beings and the creation of, you
know, this world. So, II I don't want to be a total cynic and skeptic. Um And I Heidi
Heidi left, so I had to vote to approve the population. Are you going to vote against
all these cute fifth graders on the screen with us? So it's all right. We, we explore
all sorts of things here. All right, let's take a um a quick break before our 1015
item looking at sandy shore at Lake Road. Um recess till at 1015, my coffee.
Yeah.
You know that the links were wrong on this. Yeah, if you, I mean, if you go into
the related docs, you can see them all. But the link on this workshop goes to the
uh climate goals and the sequestration goals and the ones in the climate goals go
to the wrong materials altogether.
Can you hear it on the screen then when the time comes? Yeah, for approval. Yeah,
wait this recording back on. Yeah, great. OK. Uh Coming back into session and we
are going to talk about um the closure of Sandy Shore Lake Road at Mount Posts 1.48
and apologies that the wrong documents were linked in the agenda. If anyone looked
at those, we will be taking public comment on that, which we do not mention on the
agenda here. So, um I will hand it over to Monte Ryder, a public works director and
county engineer and Colette Kale is here as well. Go ahead, Monte. All right. Uh
Well, we're joined by a couple of representatives from Rainier to the property owner
that surrounds, say Shore Lake and, and all of the road. Um Sean. Uh Can you guys
introduce yourself and if you don't mind until like it? Thank you. Yeah, I'm Sean
from the forest engineer for the hood canal tree farm for, nice to meet you.
Um I'm Holly Johnson. I'm the public relations director for Reagan. Thank you.
Uh So, uh we received a letter from uh Rainier requesting that they be able to reinstall
the gate on post 1.48 on Sandy Shore Lake Road. Uh Sandy Shore Lake road is
a county road. It's been listed on the county road log, uh having a length of 1.76
miles for decades. Uh The last time it appears
any maintenance was done. Sandy Shore Lake Road beyond mile plus 1.48 was in about
the year 2000. So nearly a quarter century and you can tell when you drive out there
on it, mile plus 1.48 is a pretty decent gravel road that would support two way traffic.
Then there's a large turnaround area and then the rest of the road going to the lake
is single lane, overgrown, large holes full of water. And I attached some photos
of that. Uh No one currently working for our road crew remembers ever doing any maintenance.
There, there was a gate and of course, before rainier timber, it was called
Resources. There was a gate at this location that was reportedly put in in the nineties
and came out in about 2017 due to disrepair and it was open and closed seasonally
open in the summer, closed in the winter. That's unusual for a county road. Um But
the status of this county road is unusual too. It's a usage road with no deeded ride
away that in and of itself isn't unusual, but it's just its origins in history. I
mean, there's records going back to the 18 hundreds of a road in this area. But the
alignment of that road doesn't really match the alignment of this road. Of course,
the construction of SR 104 in the 19 sixties kind of changed everything through this
area where before you had a series of
county roads and small private roads and you certainly, you suddenly had this freeway
running through there and, and, uh, so it's hard to recreate the history of it. But,
um, needless to say there hasn't been a lot of county involvement on this section
of, of, of road and yet it is on the road log. And so, um, that means the public
can traverse it and the public does, the public goes to the lake. Um But the history
of problematic behavior at the lake goes way back to I was going through the file
and I found newspaper articles from 25 years ago where there was illegal tree cutting
going on and illegal camping and other kinds of things that rain air has indicated
are still happening at, at this site. The proposal from rainier and
public works is supportive of this would be for them to be able to reinstall that
gate and uh
close that section of road to vehicular traffic. Certainly, if someone wanted to
walk to the lake on the road bed, they still could. It's unclear where the end of
the road is. It's somewhere near the lake, maybe at the lake maybe 100 ft short of
the lake, you can't tell by measuring. Um,
and so we're not suggesting that people have the right to trespass on Rainer's
property. But, you know, the, the right to walk or ride a bike on the road could
remain beyond the gate. Uh, but, uh, not drive a vehicle unless it's associated with
the landowner's, uh, operations or perhaps an emergency vehicle. Ok.
Um,
that, uh, kind of sums it up. Um, for, you know, if any of the rainier representatives
would like to discuss their point of view on this. Maybe now is a good time for you
guys. Of course, it's like he has our hand up too. Oh, sorry. Um Go ahead, Heidi,
the Road Act. Only a only accesses property owned by the Rainier Timber Company.
There's no other property. Now, the status of the lake, there's many bodies of water
that are technically
accessible to the public if you can get there without trespassing, which I guess
means parachuting in. Um, you know, most of the lakes don't have county roads
going to them. I mean, t Lake Road does certainly. Um, but other than that, I mean,
the all of this property is rainier and managed for timber and rainier has a system
to allow access on their property. So, um, Commissioner Eisenhower, Eisenhower, that
certainly is another uh possibility. Um, a gate closer to the, the highway.
Um If, if that were something that the board were supportive
of public works would be supportive of that too. There might be,
you know, that's a longer walk to get into the lake than, or bike ride than, than
what we're proposing. Um, but it's not out of the question. Um, I looked through
the records. We spend about $5000 a year grading the section of Sandy
Shore Lake Road that up to mile post 1.48. So, you know, it would eliminate those
expenses. Um, and costs. There's other ways to do that. You could say we're just
not gonna maintain it even though it's a county road, I mean, you, you can cut those
costs out. But, you know, we've, we've traditionally put some gravel on it and braided
it over the years. Um, but that, that is not out of question. Uh, wish your eyes.
Now, there's some concern though that, um, if folks were still wanting to access
the lake that you could end up with a lot of cars parking close to 104, that would
then potentially be a hazard. Well, I think you could set the gate far enough in
so that there would be room for parking along the sh you know, shoulder san should
Lake Road or something like that. Um, you know, at, even at the location proposed
there, there could be some parking that occurs. Um, there's a very large turn around
open area there. It doesn't seem like there's going to be enough traffic for that
to be a, a problem. Um,
but so I think it could be managed if that were the proposal and solution. I mean,
yeah, I can't really speak for rainier, but even with this current proposal, they
still have to have gates on all the roads that lead off of, say shore Lake road at
miles up to uh, 148 to, to secure their property and they're still likely to be
illegal dumping and things that occur even even. But at least it won't be right at
the lake. But you know, there's, there's no way for Reiner to keep the public
off this road without getting closer to 104, which again, could be an option or it
could be an option in the future as well after this first initial step. Ok.
All right. Holly, and feel free to address the issue that Mr E brought up to Good
morning again, Holly Johnson with that rain here. Um And thank you Monnie for going
through the whole backlog of the issues we've had here. Um We've asked for this particular
gate as, as Mannie clarified was, we are still having a lot of problems um with dumping,
first of all, crime. Um And you know, there's some environmental concerns with folks
getting back there when they're illegally camping, cutting down trees that they should
be cutting down close to the lake um in regulatory buffer zones, things like that.
So it has become more of an issue as time has gone by. So we've decided, you know,
let's look at a addressing this through a gate and see if we can keep some of that.
Um, you know, eliminate some of that. We know that there's gonna still be a little
bit of that. Let's see how that works. We would absolutely prefer a gate at 10 at
104. but to Mo's point that is there is some complications or some issues that, you
know, would probably need to be addressed. Um At this time, we would like to start
with this gate um and see if we can eliminate some of the crime and, and the, the
problems that we've had um at Sandy Shore and then maybe in the future work with
the public works director and, and you folks and see if maybe the a gate at 104 would
be appropriate. So I don't know if there's any other questions for me or Sean Sean's
our person on the ground. So he's, there's any particular issues that you want to
address with him? Feel free. I guess I have a question, Holly or Sean. Um So I know
a lot of people use that lake in a really productive way too. And I guess, II, I
think I still would like to preserve public access to this lake. So I guess I'm curious
whether the, the uh gate is, you know, where you guys are proposing now or where
Commissioner Eisenhower talked about would rainier. Still allow people to walk to
the lake to go fishing and everything without a different permit, I guess. Yeah.
So at this point, like we talked with Monty, that gate would have, I think we agreed
to some signage that would say, you know, no vehicle traffic past this point. Um,
but, you know, we would not, you know, unless they were doing something illegal,
um, would not, um, pro people from going back there, back there to fish or, or, you
know, use the, the lake this time but maybe bring a little less stuff
to walk in garbage. And so the the tree theft, do you think the gate here is really
going to mitigate the cutting down inappropriate trees? I think it will help because
it's, I mean, these are some, the, some of the pictures that Sean has and we can
leave some of those with you. Um, some of the pictures we have are very large trees
that would need a chainsaw. So carrying a chainsaw back to cut down the tree for
some firewood and then pulling it out. Um, is probably less likely, I'm not gonna
say it's going to be completely eliminated. Uh There's a, there's a wheel, there's
a way. Um, but I think this will, this will help, um, help the problem and, you know,
we can evaluate, we can just keep evaluating the situation.
Yeah, I think I'm most curious in, um, how to reduce the attractive nuisance factor,
um, you know, is closer to 104 where there's potentially more eyes on the gate where
we see all over the county dumping happens at gates. Um, and, and then obviously
other nefarious behavior and those homicide. That's why in the last couple of years
it's, this is like, pretty exactly. I mean, the petty crime, serious business. And
I will mention too that the state legislature did pass the illegal dumping, um, law
this year that the timber companies worked on. It's, you know, we're working on trying
to figure out a better signage system and, and see if folks, you know, it's kind
of a hope to eliminate any, you know, thought about,
uh, it's kind of a deterrent, it's not going to change a lot of behaviors, but we're,
you know, we're working on that. But I agree. I think it's, when there's not eyes
constantly on an area it's really attractive for a company and illegal activities.
Yeah. Yeah. Um, Monte, do you have any opinion about that kind of minimizing the
attractive nuisance?
I mean, that's difficult. I think, I think that making the lake accessible only on
s what's gonna help, but the best solution is being closer to 104. But again, this
seems like a good starting point, um, unless the board were willing to take that
bigger step. But, uh,
you know, I think the lake is the attraction. And so if you gotta work a little harder
to get there, uh maybe you get to people who really want to be there for the fishing
and things like that and not for the other concentrate issues that have been going
on camping, which is not a lot, the tree cutting for firewood or whatever, which
is not allowed and it's not on the road and the road usage right away would
extend from the ditch to the ditch. Anything happening behind the ditches, illegal
trespass, even even walking around the lake to fish is technically trespassing on
three years, driving,
maybe floating on the lake in a fishing tube isn't, I don't, you know, we get into
some areas of the law that get free, but I'm not an expert when it comes to rights
on water, but there's signage going to be at the gate saying no vehicular access,
right? But kind of giving people permission at least by inference to on that.
But the unknown nature of where the road ends and things doesn't, you know, like
no amount of surveying and historical research is going to nail that down ever with,
you know, definitively, right, where the usage right away and whether usage right
away even exists after no maintenance for 25 years. And yet we know the public has
been using the road for the last 25 years. So again, you get the the board has a,
there's no question. The board has the authority to limit, um, vehicular travel on
any county. I mean, if you said set road is closed tomorrow you can do it right.
There's no legal interpretation needed there, but it was closed today. All those
lights weren't working.
Yeah. I don't know. At least when I went there they were, they were read all three
directions for like minutes. People sat there like, five minutes until people started
just going one at a time.
So, uh so anyway, uh it gets, it gets a lot of money. You're trying to
unwind the, you know, rights and things. What happens, you know, with usage right
away and, and lake access and things like that. But, but limiting uh putting gates
up closing roads to vehicle traffic. Totally boss authority. The question I did
have the civil deputy prosecuting attorney look over the resolution. Um
We're putting it on here just to, just to get that step in for, I guess I'd argue
against going far in this as both Heidi and Kate seem, you know, wanna consider certainly
just because people really do access that uh lake for fishing and productive purposes.
So, you know, I think um meeting rainier where they're asking to, to be met right
now seems like a good first step. And as, as man said, you know, can always be taken
further if we need to in the future. Oh, you're muted.
Yeah. No, I, I feel the same way that it is. Um, when I lived in Quincy and I swam
there often and, um, you know, I think there, there's probably a lot of benefit from
having a beer, like 2/10 of a mile walk to the lake. Like that's, that's doable,
um, with a, a family and maybe it'll encourage folks to bring a couple of beers instead
of a whole case. Um, some benefit there.
Yeah, that's the ideally figure out how to get them to pack it out. Um So yeah, happy
to consider this. Um I could get a any more questions, get a motion and then open
it up for public comment. Yeah, I'll, I'll move that. We pass a resolution. Adopt
a resolution in the matter of closure of Sandy Shore Lake Road at milepost 1.48 county
road number 428509. I'm gonna share. I already shared it the resolution. I
did. I went through it at the beginning but sharing it, we could put it up while
we're discussing it. Where did it go? When do I you want me to share? Sure. I, I
downloaded it. So it was the whole thing, not the A V screen.
Ok. All right. So we are considering a resolution to um we're adopting a resolution,
open it up for public comments. Would anyone in the room or on Zoom? Like to
provide public comment. If you're on Zoom, please hit raise hand let me bring you
over Tom here. Ok. Thank you.
See if he's joined us or not. Yeah, go ahead mister T
th
thank you, Mister Tier. Anyone else like to provide public comment in the room or
on Zoom?
All right. Who was public comment? Any thoughts he Greg?
Yeah, I mean, I I think looking at maintenance of the road is a different question
that we're considering today. I think the question today is, isn't easy to answer.
And as Heidi says, we can keep looking at it as, as we move forward 30 money, um
the board could in addition to the resolution uh include uh
expectation that public works come back in a certain time frame with a report on
how it's working and reconsider future gate locations like in uh you know, after
the summer season goes by or something like that. Um And uh so that might be something
you wanna add to this, this action you're taking. Um just one
point to bring up about um the what Mr Tier was saying about vacating a road uh gets
really complicated when roads lead to water to because of the way state statutes
are written about vacation of roads, which is completely unrelated to closing roads.
But when you actually vacate, you know, right away, um public ride away to, to uh
public bodies that moderate and then we start having to get into some deeper
research about uh is this a public body of water, does it actually go to the water?
Does it stop short? Just things that are really hard to unwind at this point, there
was, uh, the legislature passed a brief amendment to the vacation statute that
appears to be for one county with one situation somewhere that then they sunset in
that, um, which actually could have worked pretty well here for the situation, but
the law sunset it last year. So, um, was meant to deal with that vacating, um,
rights away that lead to water issue. But again, uh, if the board wishes to move
forward with this resolution and like I said, perhaps also indicating a date to revisit
the issue, you know, maybe after the summer this fall or something could be an appropriate
step. I'd also like to follow up on the question of how many people use handy sh
Lake, I think, to a degree, it's, it doesn't matter, you know, if anyone uses it,
it's important. Um, but I'm curious if rainy or Sean or Holly, do you have any idea
what kind of usage it gets out there? It's extremely seasonal. Yeah, of course. Yeah.
In the summer, I guess is when it's really the hardest summer. If I go out there
on any given day at any point in time, there'll usually be 1 to 3 groups out there
during like August, July and August. So 1020 people is pretty easy on, it'd be lower
than that. Usually when I say groups, it's because it's usually small families and
then for sole individuals, I think the most I've ever seen there at one time was
probably eight or nine people. Um And that's the middle of summer. But, but the bulk
of the year when I go down there, there's nobody. Right. Ok. Thank you. The uh
there are no sanitary restroom facilities here. So, you know what that means?
Uh Just not a day use camping area, you know, provided with facilities.
So, uh uh I did read in that article from 25 years ago, there was a club that was
doing RCO stuff on there. Um That's no longer, but that's no longer happening. So
it's like probably mostly fishing and swimming. I mean, it, it was getting a lot
of use when I lived in post in the late nineties and there are a lot of families
down there because I had a sandy shore and it was warm. Um And so it was a, a popular
swimming spot for families. Um uh but it was sad to see it just degraded. Um and
uh Targo Lake as well. It's uh really sad to see that. Um, you know, suddenly started
seeing a lot of needles, a lot of alcohol, detritus, a lot of toilet paper, you know,
it's, it's um and, and I think you dropped because people didn't feel safe going.
Uh I'm glad to hear it's still getting used for South County families, you know,
it is, it is an asset. Um, but I think maintaining access has some value, I'd be
comfortable with proceeding with this and then, um, I don't even know that we need
to test public works but maybe just keep the conversation open with rainier to see
if there is, uh, you know, more problematic behavior or, um, you know, certainly,
uh, between the sheriff's department and rainier would probably have access to pretty
good intel on what's going on there. So instead of making more work for public works
that if it, if it's problematic at that gate or at the lake, we reconsider again.
I'm ok with that.
All right. Any additional comments before I tell the question, right? All those in
favor of the resolution, please say I
resolution passes. Thanks everyone. And, um, let's check back in and see how it goes.
Yeah, stay in touch. Thank you. Thank you.
Oh, I didn't even get to ask you guys about Bigfoot, any Bigfoot comments. All right.
Ho, like, come on, I will not say that Ray has a position because we don't personally,
I believe. Ok, but I've never seen one, Sean. You spend a lot of time in the woods
in my 20 plus years as a forester in a lifetime of hunting, I am a non-believer.
There's an explanation for everything and if you're not comfortable on your woods,
there's a lot of things that can make your mind go wild. Well, I was thinking it's,
you know, if you're not looking for something, it's a lot easier. I mean, it's a
lot harder to find it. So, you know, maybe because Holly believes if she went into
the forest she would see things differently. Things can confuse you. Since Cougars
came up earlier. They are, they do call her a lot of cats on our ownership. A couple
of weeks ago I saw what I finally made myself believe was a cougar in the middle
of the road. And with how I first saw it, it did not look like anything that we would
know. I finally came to the conclusion for myself because of how they move and how
fast they are. And about two days later they did call her a large male right there.
Yeah. All right. Cougars do exist and I've never seen a cougar in the wild. I've
heard one as I was looking for a lost dog and you can feel them there. There's a
presence. Well, that one, when I first saw it, I was joking that I saw a Chip Cora.
I love it. All right. Thanks Sean. Thanks. All.
Thank you. Thanks. Thanks, Monty.
All right. Where are we? So we
Oh, no, but you've, you've staunched the flow, at least for the time being.
Ok.
What a strange time to have happened. Yeah,
I burst.
Oh man. So is there much flooding in the house?
Oh. Hallelujah. Like before you shut off, then you couldn't even have shut it off.
Oh.
Oh, ok.
Oh, wow. Good luck.
Mm. You might just get a big water bill. Is it between the meter and the shutout?
All right. Um Have we gotten through briefing? Ok. We're just at organizational climate
goals. And um this one off, this is the one that is linked to the sandy shore on,
on the agenda.
Oh, right. Oh yeah. Heidi's briefing. Thank you. Yeah. And um we, so the
both, let me just say that organizational clinicals, it's a link to the wrong item.
But also then um so you do see climate goals attached to the Sandy Shore Lake
Road agenda item, but it's the wrong materials. It's the same ones that were in the
consent agenda for adopting the um uh the resolution, adopting the
new general goals. We need to find some way of distinguishing between our internal
organizational goals and the C ac county wide goals. So I don't know if we want that
document was there though. If you look under related documents, organization, climate
goals, it just kind of a one page, right?
It anywhere else you can serve on this,
I can share it real quick. Um Sorry Heidi, what was that
under? If you look under the um
if you click on related documents while you're in the agenda on a V capture, then
you can go down to organization climate goals, alphabetically arranged and get into
the agenda. Was there? Not a lot other stuff there? Um, Mark had some
other documents. Um, but I don't know if we talked about putting them on the agenda.
Yeah, they weren't weeks ago one PP and I, ok. Um, let's, let's do Heidi's briefing
and then see how we wanna proceed with, uh, chemicals. How do you wanna look back
old Nius?
Can I ask you a question about the opioid center? How did, how did my jokes land?
Ok.
Ok. Sorry, I couldn't be there.
Ok. Nice. All right.
So
nice. Nice. It sounds like it was productive.
That's great. Um Should we do some looking ahead? Calendaring?
I'm gonna go first. Sure. Let's see today here with you
guys and then off to hopefully get out a little early and in person North Root Canal
Chamber of Commerce meeting 430 to 630 tomorrow. The big thing is, uh, as I said,
the $50 million interview with our North Olympic Peninsula recompete uh coalition
interviewing with Ed A and answering some preset questions as well as, as, uh, um,
you know, whatever they ask us. And then final day of school on Wednesday and Saturday,
uh for the quarter personally. Um And then on Thursday, I'm gonna miss the E DC board
meeting, finance committee meeting again to do that, the, the recompete meeting tomorrow,
but we have a full board meeting on the sixth and then I'm doing a little walk and
talk with Junior from Jefferson Health Care after that. And then I'll be attending
the, uh, the PNNLT Energy presentation and Swim at PNNL. And
then, uh, Thursday evening, we have the healthier together task force meeting. We'll
be going over, uh, locations in Hadlock. Been working, working on those out this
morning, taking pictures of the three different sites that we're gonna, um, discuss
for, for Port Hadlock. And we looked at some others that didn't make the list, including
county owned properties in Glen Cove and some areas in Port Hadlock that are a little
farther a field. You know, look at some of the ones by the sewer itself and across
from the jail and they just didn't have the same, um, walk ability or the same kind
of neighborhood core, you know, thinking a lot about place making, especially as,
you know, the place making in Port Hadlock is happening without our, our input right
now in a way that I find very disconcerting, seeing the first development happening
in Port Hadlock. So,
um, and that is my week. Ok. Mm.
Heidi, you wanna go?
I do not. Uh, I don't know what, uh, no, definitely don't go to that. Uh, I don't
know why that's on your calendar. It's supposed to be for my senior members and my
current members.
Right. The dashboard discussion and,
yeah, performance monitoring.
Well, your calendar shows an appointment of some sort.
Ok. No, that'll work.
Yeah, I didn't, I was interested in wastewater. You know, that's what whatever comes
up. Right. I think being responsive to the issues we don't want wastewater to come
up. No.
What time is that again?
Thursday?
Oh, yeah. I'm in school. Yeah, I'm over on wood, be island to the meeting.
Right.
Sure. Unless there's anything upcoming that we should know about when you report
out. Ok, you're gonna be gone next Monday. So, or a virtual or something, aren't
you? Why is that? I'm not, I thought that not this, not today. I think that to
me and leave it to leave early because of that Senate committee. But um, I was thinking
that too, but I think it's at the end of the month.
July 1st. Ok. Sorry, I'm just, yeah, I know I had this. I thought the same thing.
Ok. All right, July 1st meeting. You, you won't be here, correct? I can join virtually.
Ok.
Um, ok, quickly go through my week. Um,
uh, let's see, I'm meeting with um,
couple of constituents tomorrow. Um, looking to uh important to report
there. We'll be meeting with the hood canal Coordinating Council, a few of us um
in preparation for the p to partnership meeting. Uh Still a lot of consternation
about the role of the local integrating organizations, which we have two here. And
um, so we'll be doing some prep work in advance of a conversation at the uh partnership
leadership council meeting which um I will be leaving. I have to leave tomorrow.
Fortunately, some ferry cancellations. I have to spend two nights on Woodby, I can't
uh title cancellations in the morning. So I can't get to Woodby Island in the morning
for either day. So it ends up being a much bigger commitment than I would prefer.
Um But it'll be first time chairing the leadership council meeting cause our very
own constituent, the normal chair is uh out of town. So a little nervous about that.
We're getting our uh fiveyear report from the EPA and DC on the performance of uh
our National Estuary program. So send me some uh positive vibes to share that high
stakes meeting. Um So that's a two day meeting all day, Wednesday and Thursday, be
back Thursday evening. Hopefully you can make it to the Peninsula Trails meeting.
Um And then Friday have a uh meeting with our lobbyist in Olympia and then
be doing the radio show relatively light week, but with a lot of trouble. So, yeah,
I don't have a guest yet for the radio show, but maybe seeing if Amanda would like
to come talk about the farmers market on the radio
like an opportunity. Yeah.
Mhm
mm
Great. Thank you,
Mark. Do you wanna look ahead? OK. This will be a short report. Um Of course, all
day here with you. Um Then tomorrow I've got my senior management team meeting at
nine. Uh then a meeting with uh Judge Mack to talk about how he's handling court
commissioners. Then a risk management meeting at 1030 and one o'clock with gravity
um session with Judy Shepherd and others to design the budget book. And then the
meeting with Barry Dunn that Heidi mentioned. Uh Then on Wednesday, I've got a meeting
with Josh and Brent and then Thursday is my day of departure for my North Carolina
vacation and that'll take me through the end of the week and all of next week and
Monday the following week. So, thank you very much. So, you won't be here the next
two Mondays, correct? Ok. And Monte in here, she's right in. She'll be here. All
right.
Um Have a great trip. Thank you. It's gonna be wonderful. Yes. Is it hot there?
Um It's gonna be in the mid seventies. Perfect. Perfect. Yes, I was surprised. It's
not that hot in DC right now. It usually is. It's been cool here. Right. The only
problem is they fry all their seafood, North Carolina, they fry everything, the seafood,
you know.
Yeah. Yeah. No, it's good that soft shell crab barbecue as well.
All right. Um The only thing left in our agenda this morning is the uh kind goals,
organizational. So again, that's, we are one of only two organizations in the Climate
Action Committee that has not finalized our organizational goals. Um So I just wanna
make sure we're all on the same page about a process for that and I've lost track
a little bit. Um So I think I kind of kind of, I don't wanna say it fell off the
radar but it kind of did. So I resent the resolution to UK, I don't know whether
that's the approach you want to take to make it more formal and require once a quarter
reporting. Um I need to go back out to the department or I already have, I
did that late last week. Um And I, I have yet to receive uh revised goals from most
of them. Uh Public health submitted theirs. And so I imagine uh when I am back from
vacation that I'll have all that and then we can schedule a workshop.
Yeah. And so I guess my um interest in bringing this up is um in part, you know,
a status update from Mark, which is great and then just, you know, get any input
from you, Heidi and Greg on if there are uh kind of directions we want to go with
this, you know, I will not be here for the two years that we are proposing these
goals for. Um And, you know, it's, it's always been tricky that it's been primarily
an initiative of the commissioners and yet our department directors report to Mark.
And um so just, you know, appreciate Mark's desire to kind of institutionalize this
through the resolution. Um But we get some resistance from departments who feel like
they have enough to do without another, you know, get something else being asked
of them. Um, so I, I just love some feedback from you two on kind of how we wanna
approach this. Um, especially given that one of you will likely be in a, in a position
of advancing the work with the Climate Action Committee.
Well, I don't know. Um, I'll share some thoughts, I guess the thing that keeps sticking
with me as we've gone through this process a few times is that, you know, we can
buy recycled paper and that's great. These are all small little things that I would
love to affect systematic changes. And the thing that I came, I mean, I think I,
I trumped it a little bit as we're going through a budget process is just that especially
fleet procurement is not set up to, it's set up for industrial combustion engines.
That's the market. That's what people can get. Uh, you know, significantly cheaper
though the life cycle cost is probably, doesn't, you know, bear, bear that out. Um,
especially, you know, we can get vehicles pretty cheap right now. Like now is the
time to be buying electric vehicles as the market has fallen out a little bit. So
I guess I'm wondering, do we want to be, um, if we were going to look at the system
and say we want to be able to facilitate as departments need fleet vehicles that
they purchase electric vehicles and that comes with some sort of life life cycle
equivalent or if you need one, we're just going to add the extra capacity to be able
to upfront capacity. You know, if we do the analysis and say you're just gonna start
buying electric vehicles unless there's, you don't hit these criteria. You know,
you need to go 500 miles in a day or, you know, it's, uh there's not the appropriate
class of vehicle that's affordable, but I guess that would be well, in the coming
years, I believe range will become less of an issue. Um, and we did receive, um,
a couple of grants to put in charging stations at Castle Hill and the considerable
expense that we won't have to shoulder ourselves. And we have a fleet manager now,
a professional fleet manager who I think is on board with electrification. So I think
the resistance that you felt over the course of the last number of years will evaporate.
I guess I put it on them probably to come up with some sort of equivalent. You know,
it's just so because it really, it just doesn't slide into our budget process still.
Yeah, we need a migration plan and there are certain classes of vehicles where it's
really a no brainer to electrify but, you know, five ton dump trucks. I don't, I'm
not sure. I don't think we're quite ready. Yeah. So, um,
yeah, I think we can advance the ball. Yeah. And that includes charging infrastructure,
obviously, not just, you know, I think it's, isn't it level two at the at Castle?
Hi. So it's good for overnight charging. But, um, you know, and we have other, other
locations, you know, probably need lunch for staff. I mean, end of the day you plug
it in, you come in in the morning and it's ready to go. So, yeah. Yeah. Um, well,
I guess, well, I, I agree with all of that and would love to advance that. We talked
about doing a workshop with the new fleet manager on this topic and maybe we could
keep that ball rolling. Ok. Friday.
Where would be a good place to kind of, uh, get, uh, get some intel on what those
are and who?
Ok. Ok.
Ok.
And, um, and that was looking at like operational goals as well as I knew that the
like kind of process and who's gonna handle what was part, was impetus part, but
it also included kind of operational?
Great. Ok. Ok. I will follow up with Laura. Um, and I wonder too and that,
um, great what you're talking about the, you know, things that actually move the
needle, um, capital projects is another place where that same kind of thinking that,
you know, where did we, we just learn that we're replacing uh uh heating HVAC Hill?
Yeah. And like opportunities that should have been like, we should have been looking
at heat pumps for or you know, some lower energy, um, source, at least considering.
Oh, good giant heat pump. Oh, good. Ok. Um, so electric, I
thought, I thought, uh, our outgoing central services director said it was a, a fairly
standard for an SH VAC unit. No, I thought it was a massive heat pump, but I don't
remember what the fuel was.
Are they always electric? What? Hes? Hm. Um, but yeah, I think that's to your, I
mean, regardless your point of the sound, I think. Yeah. Yeah, like looking for,
you know, uh, lower carbon footprint technologies, uh choosing
electric, you know, just be nice to institutionalize that for. Yeah, I mean, I think
we did some operations, there must be cost benefit analysis for, for fleets, uh,
conversion to electrical. It's been done but it, I mean, the conversion of my personal
fleet has been very cost effective. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I would think it would al,
although it is interesting with the mileage reimbursement which we are also tied
to with, um, our own, er, and R, um, you know, we, we pay, er, and R
for every time we use a fleet vehicle and it's, it's a lot, I think it's probably
way more than for electric vehicles that, that per mile should. Right. I mean, maybe
it would be lower, there's, there's higher upfront cost too. So you just got to figure
it all out, you know, I mean, there's, it's nuts and bolts, you know, it's really,
you can stack them up against each other and compare apples to apples we just need
and, and on capital projects too, that should be part of the cost benefit analysis.
Entry point. Yeah. Yeah.
And, and because we're not, um, quite, we're not large enough to be required to comply
with the new state, uh, energy requirements for public buildings.
Um, it won't be enforced upon us either. So it's incumbent upon us to do that analysis.
Um All right. Any other inputs
otherwise mark it, I'll keep shepherding this forward. Ok. And I let's wait until
we, we get adjourned soon. So, um, ok. Anything else this morning? Ok.
All right. So this afternoon we have an executive session from 130 to 2 might be
taking action um afterwards, but I do not know but feel free to join us.
We'll be back at 130. We are adjourned until recess, recess until 130. Thank you.
Why is it so hard?
Hm.
All right, we are coming back into session. Um, although we are going right into
executive session with the county administrator, the chief civil deputy prosecuting
attorney and Department of Community Development director, uh, discussion regarding
potential litigation exemption as outlined in the open public meetings Act RCW 42.30
0.1 10, parenthesis, one parentheses I, we will be going in for 30 minutes from 130
until two o'clock. It is uncertain whether we will be taking action when we return.
All right, we're coming back into session from executive session. We are not taking
any action. Um We don't have anything else on our agenda. We have talked about considering
this um NACO delegation or a delegate, but it is for um in person participation.
Is anyone going to the NACO conference in Florida in the middle of July? No,
me neither. Oh sh we don't have to do,
we can volunteer. Heidi says yes. Yeah. Sure. I'll make a
right.
So, um, ok, so I think it's, it's only for a voting delegate for, in person. So I
don't think we need to do that.
Oh, to give wasak our votes or something?
Mm. Yeah, we could ask who, um, who all is going to see if? Oh, I
don't know. Yeah. I don't know. But it does that add anything. I mean, we don't know.
I know the thousands of counties are, does our little vote mean much? Um, but
yeah, wack or another county I could ask, I could just check in with wack and see
if they one turbo. Ok. All right. Um, anything else?
Ok.
What's the status Heidi?
Oh, did the p, uh, uh, the pud shut off, like the whole street?
Ok. All right. Good luck. Yeah. Yeah. Ok. Let call
anything to give the order. Ok, we are joined. See you next Monday. All right. Take
care