Work is at Caroline Years works because you're, um, my mind wasn't working all sorts
of issues, but jeez, recording in progress course.
Yeah. Mm.
It might be a short day, huh? Uh, yes, absolutely. I'm sorry. Anyway,
check her now. Recording in progress. Yeah, I guess because we were thinking you
weren't gonna be here and I
minimizing it. Yeah, we just, we didn't have any plans for the afternoon. I, I still
don't, but now, now I do, I'm going to see Barbie. Oh, yeah, that's supposed to be
good. Plans were just made for me in the rain too. By the, by the goddaughters.
Perfect time, Barbie with teenage girls. Perfect. Yes, a rainy summer day. You don't
have to wear pink. I think it's Oppenheimer. You're supposed to wear pink too. All
right. Good morning, everyone. I will call this meeting of the board of county commissioners
to order on July 24th. Good morning, everyone. We've got a heavy consent agenda but
a light agenda. Other than that, I hope to be, we had some travel plans that were
canceled, but not a lot on the agenda today. So, as we always do, we will start with
public comment. We have no one in the chambers with us. But if there's anyone online
that would like to make public comment on any topic, we would love to hear from you.
You can hit raise hand or Star Nine. If you are,
if you are, uh, on the phone and we'll bring you over for a public comment.
What is raise your hand Star Nine to make public comments?
Ok, I see no one. We will keep public comment open until 9 30 but we can take a,
a look at our 18 item consent agenda.
Any questions or comments, we have one.
No, that seems fairly de fact a lot of con you know, continuation of existing programs
um always making changes to our con con uh Yeah, consolidated contract with um the
State Department of Health for Public Health Services.
Dude, sorry to hear some members from uh resignations from our solid waste facility
task force. Some of our SWC members left. It was unfortunate they just leaving the
task force, just the task force. Yes. Uh
And we see that's one of the items I, I got a little high centered on the uh the
new swack member who's now being added to the task force. But Stephen Jeff
Jeff was is now we'll take one of those spots. Ok. So like Lisa Crosby will still
be on swack just not on the task force and did not want to lose her. She's great.
It would twist her arm. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. Lots of this is
mostly money coming in. Of course, the number one maybe just call it out a little
bit, you know, getting a debt capacity for the sewer. You want to jump into that
a little bit more. And my computer is still in restart mode. I don't know if Stacey,
our is an attendee. I spoke with her this morning about that and, um, invited her
to speak to the board if this was brought up. Essentially, what we're doing is going
for a line of credit, which is a short term borrowing instrument to help provide
liquidity for public works as they build the sewer and they have a number of large
road fund projects as well. And so the line of credit could be used for either uh
road projects or the sewer. And essentially we, we draw on the line of
credit. We pay our contractors and then we submit grant reimbursements, we get reimbursed,
we use the reimbursement moneys to repay the line of credit. And so we incur a little
bit of an interest expense, but without a line of credit paying our contractors in
a timely way which we have an obligation to do would be difficult if not impossible.
And I'll remind the, the board that we also, um, I think last week transferred the
million in general fund money that was in the capital fund to the sewer fund for
liquidity as well. Uh, anticipating that, that general fund money at the project's
end will come back to the capital fund and can be used for general fund needs. Should
we need those moneys? So, so thanks to Stacey for doing that work
and I see Stacey with us. I don't know. How did Mark, do Stacey anything to add?
He did. Excellently. I really only need that. Anything if you have other questions.
Just we did work with D A Davidson in the past on a couple of refunding and um you
know, he'll send this out to 2030 different banks uh to see if we can get a private
placement loan, which would be the preference um with hopefully the best rate we
can get in the terms. Um And this is how we do it. The question
Greg um probably for you, Stacey. Um I've never dealt with a line of credit in public
sector. Um Can you just describe the process or maybe Mark kind of what is the, the
general accounting practice for how that gets requested where it gets approved? How
does it move through our system? So there are a number of eyes on it um in terms
of, oh, go ahead.
So, I mean, uh one of the most recent projects was the uh the ports bulkhead
project um at Hudson Point, they did that as a line of credit and so
they will pay bills and they will receive funds from, um, the bank, they request
it and we get the money wired to us, we book it and we enter the debt information
and, um, depending on how public works is paying it back or, you know, has other
expenditures to make when they get money from the feds on the grants that are
paying for this. Um, they will continue to either pay, you know, bills
or just keep some of the outstanding line of credit. Uh uh you know,
accruing interest just like you would at home if you had more on that project to
do, but really try to limit this to what the cash flow is needed. And so it does
get all booked and it will be in our our debt um reporting with the Finance report
Finance committee. So it's booked as debt but they have the budget authority public
work has the budget authority for it. Um They have, they have the expenditure authority
so they um
um well, loan activity is different. Yeah, it's a whole another layer but yes, I
mean if you have budget authority doesn't mean you have the cash just like the other
enterprise funds, you know, they could have budget, but they can't spend it all in
January. So um it's just cash flow, not budget.
Ok, I think I get it. Thank you. And it sounds like the transparency piece comes
up by the finance committee. Correct. The review of the debt debt reports.
Well, uh the finance committee, you know, needs to be aware that debt is being issued,
but it is the board's authority to is, is the only one that can issue debt death.
I'm sorry. Debt. Oh, gosh, please don't. Um I think in terms of the public's opportunity
to get an update on this stuff, it would be most, most accessible through the finance
committee. Yeah, on how much is outstanding, correct. And that's a monthly report
that I thought that was part of Kate's question. Oh, thank you for making that clear
to me. I'm sorry, I didn't catch that correctly. Kate. That's ok. I think I, I think
I get it just a new way of wrapping my head around that this budget piece.
I had maybe not a question but number six, that just the general terms and conditions,
it seemed like the most bureaucratic of bureaucratic thing. There's no actual thing.
We're just gonna add one additional level of bureaucracy. Now it's a standard agreement.
Every, I think every six years we have to in this agreement. I think. So let me also
say that came from us.
Uh The, the one page contract that was from D A Davidson was very straightforward
and clear. And then um our prosecuting attorney, uh civil put it in our standard
format which we absolutely want to make sure we comply with auditor and all types
of requirements. But definitely it's um that's from us. Not from them. Thanks, Stacey.
But I was talking about a different, a different item. I was talking about number
six on the, sorry, I can leave then. Yeah, I think, I think we're done with questions
for you. But, but thank you very much for that. Sorry, I'll stop. But in public health
has a similar agreement that they execute. That's just for public health. But, but
then we have to do one for the entire county. Uh Some of you may not see this again
depending on whether you run for re election. I'm sure they, they feel very free
to change the general terms and conditions on any particular contract that we go
through too. Well, I have an interesting, an interesting point about this. Um So
I've been hearing a lot about this contract um at was a because it, the, until I
was, I was nervous when I saw this on here because the other counties have been saying
that these have been coming to them with a vaccination requirement in it. Um That
anyone doing business with the SHS presumably including county governments would
have to have a vaccination requirement. So I read this last night going, please don't
be in there, please don't be in there, please don't be in there and it wasn't. Ok.
So maybe it's been. Yes, yes. And, and by the time it got to us, the governors um
order vaccination order for state agencies had been revoked. So I was glad we didn't
have to wrestle with that piece of it. It took a while to get to us, which was in
our favor. But the quantity of funding we receive from Ds Hs not executing this agreement
wouldn't be helpful. I'm not suggesting that it just felt a little bit like Brazil
the movie, not the state.
Any other questions or comments.
No good work. I have public health per usual. I would welcome a motion. We'll move
to approve and adopt the consent agenda as presented. I'll second that. Ok. It's
been moved and seconded uh all in favor of approving and adopting the consent agenda
as presented. Indicate by saying, I, I, all right, well done for the day. Um All
right. We're still in public comment. Anyone. Oh, why don't we bring uh MS Cochran
over
and anyone else that would like to make public comment that's online. You can feel
free to raise your hand. We're keeping it open for another 20 minutes. Hello, Julia,
thanks for joining us today. What would you like to share with us? Hi, good morning,
good morning. Um I just wanted to um, so yesterday,
yes, I went to, I think it was yesterday. May have been Saturday. I went to the potluck
at Caswell Brown that the community build has been putting together, put together.
It was really wonderful. Um But we were just disappointed that had invited the residents.
Uh the community builder sent them an invitation to post. They didn't do it. We managed
to round up about 12 people. But some of the people I know when I contacted them
they didn't had no idea this was happening. They weren't around and that's sad. So,
but otherwise the community build, potluck was wonderful or not. Well, it was sort
of a potluck. They did a barbecue, they used the new barbecues and stuff like that
and it was, it was, that was wonderful. So, anyway, that's all I'm sharing right
now. It's just trying to get us to include the people that we are doing business
about in the things that we are doing. So, have a good day Julian. Did, did,
did you say it was a regular monthly? No, this wasn't anything regular or monthly
put on by the community build as a sort of celebration of all those little buildings
that they built. Yeah. Yeah. And he also built this, uh, sink. That's about,
they bought this guy, bought the sink. That was, it's about the same size as he is.
He's like a 6 ft guy and there's just like a 6 ft sink with a sink in the middle
of it. And, um, they built a shelter around this sink and for people to be able to
rinse their dishes and stuff like that. I mean, I have concerns, I mean, I have a
concern that there's no, there used to be a meal a day being brought from the hospital,
I believe, to casual ground for people to eat. And that's not happening anymore.
So people don't have access to that another day. And um it's not happening because
the hospital is renovating their kitchen. But Aaron Stark is cooking at the fairground.
So he's still cooking. The hospital is still getting meals. And I think that it's
worth figuring out how Pas Brown can still get at least a meal a day because the
only thing they're allowed to cook on there is like barbecue things which I wouldn't
know what to do with. And as a vegetarian doesn't really meet my needs particularly.
Um, and I've never used one, so I'm not sure you want me playing around with a propane
gizmo. So, um yeah, it's just
there needs to be more conversation with the people about what they need. Thank you,
Julia. Take care, take care, appreciate your comment, Julia. Um Anyone else
with us that would like to make public comment, you can click raise hand or Star
nine if you're on the phone, I love to hear from you while we're waiting. I don't
know any other response to Julia's.
Um, I, I won't weigh in just not having a lot of information on that, that particular
topic. Um, but uh, um, I am curious, are there other cooking facilities in the
long term plan for cast? I mean, certainly the, the shelter has a kitchen, you know,
that is gonna be built. They're trying to bring that. Um PD donated a double wide
trailer that's fairly expansive. I think that would add more kitchen and laundry
facilities as well. I think there's microwaves in units as well, I believe. Um, like
RVSRV, si mean, people are cooking on RVS. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And then the meals,
I mean, it's unfortunate, I will confess I was unaware of the barbecue too. The pot
or, or, or what, what have you. So, I mean, we can do a better job and definitely
agree with Julia that including the, the, the folks that are living there, living
there seems common sense. I, I don't know how, how it happened or where the disconnect
was. So, yeah, and I also know that, that they can, it can be hard to
reach people to figure out, you know, as we're fighting with our community meetings,
how, how do you reach people to let them know something's happening? So I don't wanna
make any assumptions that only kept in. Um But yeah, always nothing for us without
us. Right. I certainly agree with that.
Um Well, I was gonna comment on a written comment. We received, uh we received a
couple of notes about the um
the new pool facility and the idea of public bathroom or shower facilities. And I
haven't been as close to this as you have, Kate. I'm just wondering in those conversations,
it seems like there's a difference of opinion as to whether there's support for public
restroom facilities or whether there's not support, a lack of support and you know,
what's your take on that part of the conversation? Yeah. So, um I would say there's,
there's not a consensus among the planning group. Um And, but I will say that when
every time we look at designs and try to think about how to incorporate um a bathroom
and shower facility, I instantly a lot of design challenges come up. Um And that's
in part, you know, safety. Um you know, in general, when there's Children around,
you want it to be a supervised environment. And so, um being able to control who's
coming and going is part of that supervised environment, which is the antithesis
of having it just be open and available to anyone who wants to use it who might not
be willing to um you know, jump through a number of hoops and we know that the homeless
population are folks who have a hard time doing that. Um So, you know, and we've
looked at having it kind of accessible on a different side of the building. But,
you know, certainly the experience of most public agencies is that you need eyes
on um on public facilities like that. And so then you, it's a staffing issue. It,
it adds an enormous layer of complexity and expense. And so there's been, you know,
I think some folks from the port has said it would be way easier to have a free standing
separate, not try to combine two things that don't necessarily go well together.
And of course, there are a lot of people including on the committee who say, yeah,
but this is a public facility and we know that this is a need in the community. It's
a relatively small expense to build in to a very large expense. So, why not? So,
I'd say there's, there's not a consensus at this point, I believe it's been taken
out of the design. Um And, but there's still a lot to be decided. Um And
so the public input is, is welcome. This is the right time in the process to be providing
that. I think it would be really helpful to get some um maybe examples of, of other
places that have been able to incorporate that into the design because it's, we have
not found a way to do it. That does not provide a, a big challenge for um uh monitoring.
Would that be the consultant's role to look for other examples of where? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, we could, uh you know, I, I think advocates are sometimes more on the, you
know, on the cutting edge of that stuff. Um Just feels like so much fun. I'm getting
so much pushback in District two about paying for it and, and the need for public
facilities that if we build a facility that's just for people in Port Townsend, we
just gonna people with Port Townsend who can afford to go in the pool. You know,
it's just, it's just a privilege thing that I have resistance to. I'm not going to
be super excited about this facility. I don't know if I'm going to have a say in
it, but I'm getting less and less excited about it as these issues are brought to
life. So whatever we can do to advocate for the folks who really need to take a shower
and the folks who are going to have to pay for this facility, I think I would ask
our hope that we can do that going forward and not just act like it's what, what's
the right a, you know, I'm trying to,
you know, yeah, it's definitely not a fata company. There's a ton of questions and,
you know, there's always the chicken and egg of people want to know exactly what
you are presenting to be able to take a position on it. And then as soon as you do
that, then they say, why wasn't there an opportunity for input? And so in that like
iterative, present something, see what the response is, refine it, present it, see
what the response is. You know, it's a call and response to try to get to something
that might be agreeable but still very much in that process. I remember being a kid
growing up on the fishing boats and every time the fleet would come in from a fishing
trip. You know, we'd all, we'd go to the ports that had a public pool so we could
take a shower, you know? Or I remember the last time I went to Alaska and was coming
south on my friend's fishing boat with them, we stopped at the ports that had good
shower facilities. I mean, it's, it's not just, it's not just homeless people, it's
not just transient, it's not just people in RVS rolling into town in the summer.
It's, there's so many different kinds of needs for public showers that, um, I just
hope we can figure out how to make that work in this facility. I mean, but when you
went to those ports, you would pay the entrance fee to the public pool. Right. Yeah.
Or I'd take my little roll of quarters, my little, my little wallet of quarters up
to and put quarters in the machine. I mean, State Park still has quarter showers
and a lot of the state parks, uh, flagler has them, baby, has them over in SCAD.
I mean, Fort Worth. Yeah. So, I mean, it's, there's different ways to pay and, but
anyway, it's something that I've heard other people in the community concerned about
and I wanted to lift, lift the concern up. I love free showers and, you know, obviously
suggesting we put in public publicly accessible showers. I do find, I mean, one of
our traveling hacks in my family is that if after a long flight, we'll go to the
public pool and spend a couple of hours at the public pool and, and kind of, you
know, clean up and relax and decompress. And I think it's great to have an accessible
pool. I'm hoping our $50 million pool is accessible to all people, but just the management
of showers. I mean, usually the showers exit into the pool area. Right. I mean, that's
if I was going to design a pool, that's what I would want to do. So you create this
uh dual use of this area. If you're creating the, the, all the wet walls and the
pools and the showers, they go right into here or we gotta go create a separate one
just for a different application of showers. I guess I would want to make sure that
the pool, if it happens was cheap enough that people could take advantage of those
showers along with the rest of the facilities. I guess that's probably where I am.
The name was asking our opinion about this right now, but it's, we're getting comments
about it to the Bocc. Here's one from Deborah Peterson today. So anyway, I mean,
yeah, it's, I think it's, it's, it's worth considering and, and having more shower
facilities is certainly important. There's not gonna be less people coming here in
the future. One thing to be aware of also is, um, you know, John Morrow sent me a
heads up email about a transportation benefit district in the city, uh, where the
city council could impose a 1/10 of 1% sales tax. Go to the voters for up to 3/10
of a percent. The potholes. Right. I think, well, it's for street improvements, the
elimination of potholes would be one of those improvements. Um, but then, uh, you
know, talking to Matt Stewart, he's looking into, uh, increment for 911 a sales tax
increment. Um There's a bond issue coming from the school district, if not this year,
maybe next year. And then, you know, we've got the aquatic center, either a PD or
an MP D or accommodation. And so there's a lot of a lot of tax pressure building
in this community and I, I just don't know when the, the voters are going to be exhausted
and, you know, a lot of its timing. Yeah. So that's a consideration also. Yeah. No,
it, it, it
is, this is what we get for not having an income tax in our state where all you know,
the, the state has to use property tax also to fund um basic services.
And we, we still set it right in the middle of the pack in terms of, um, states with
the tax burden. Um And our county is not even among the highest near the highest
in Washington. We're about middle of the pack in the state of Washington. Obviously,
there's a lot of difference between each district, depending on where they are typically
in school bonds, um, payment. But, um, and then as a state, we're squarely halfway,
um, about number 26 in terms of individual tax burden. Um, so it's, you know, I do,
I do push back a little bit on the constant refrain that we are, you know, the most
tax burdened place. Like, uh, actually, no, statistically we're about halfway and
in a state that doesn't have, uh, income tax, this is, this is what we have available.
Um,
challenge. Let's get a state income tax, wealth tax. Yeah, that's well, and they,
they, they did and that actually the revenue generated from, that was, um, high enough
to change the revenue forecast for the state, which is updated quarterly anyway.
But the new one came in last week. I don't know if you read it. But, um, you know,
between the, um, um, capital investment program and the new capital gains tax or
wealth tax revenues are, you know, significantly higher. So every little bit helps.
Yeah. All right. Well, I will got three minutes left before 9 30. I'll ask again
if anyone with us would like to make public comment. You can hit raise hand or Star
nine. If you're on the phone, don't have anyone in the chambers with us here, but
love to hear from you if you have anything to add
is, um, it's interesting on my zoom screen. I'm seeing a different, oh, maybe forget
it. So I get it. All right. Uh Great. Well, I'll leave it open for just another couple
minutes and maybe we can talk about what else? Uh, we'd like to do. I did Mark and
Heidi. Do you have another meeting in, in the A MS? We have an 11 o'clock meeting
with our consultant on the drainage district.
Ok.
And are there other issues that folks want to take up to today? Got nothing but time
you've got a calendar in a briefing?
Um I don't think so. No, that's, that's fine. I'd love to chat more just about the
rec compete program kind of dug into that this weekend a little bit. And, you know,
thinking about what local stakeholders and local partners, um and Apostle,
what, what approaches you, you guys think? I don't know, you've read through the
No, haven't you? Um I shouldn't say I read the whole No skimmed it and read the FA
Q. OK. II, I read it and I, I did an intensive question and answer uh with uh chatbot
with it this weekend as well. So it was very, very helpful. My uh my proof reader
um and did, have you gotten a report out from how the meeting went last week? I haven't
yet. No, I, I heard it went well and there was um a lot of forward momentum. Um but
it might be good to learn if there were specifics around, um, areas of interest.
Yeah, totally. And dug in a little bit to that in the natural resource. Is it integrated
command center? Yeah. And I mean, it seems like one of the reasons they were so ready
to present about that is because they've been working on this for quite a while.
They already did RP in the beginning of June to find a consultant because they have
state funding. They have state funding. Yeah, 50,000 state and they put in 50 of
their own. So, I mean, that's moving forward, you know, regardless they're gonna
do, do that. Uh um the analysis and, and data collection, part of it, I think finding
how that nests in with other things that might be more relevant. I mean, do you see
a lot of application in Jefferson County from the, I think it depends on the, the
partners. Um Apparently the, the paper mill is already engaged with. Um
I can't remember the other local, uh who else has been attending those meetings,
you know, part of the concern originally was that, that outreach hadn't been very
far for enrich it was, you know, very cloud based. And so I think they have made
an attempt to broaden it to include more Jefferson County folks. But early stages
of that still Jefferson County was mentioned once in their RFP. Yeah. And
um, so, yeah, I'm not sure. And then I think in terms of other initiatives in Jefferson
county. They really, and I think we really need to see what, what the partners can
bring to the table. Like re compete. Shouldn't be. I agree with the Colleen that
it really should be ground up in terms of the kind of what does industry need. Um
what is their um kind of appetite for providing it? I, I, so I think
last week's meeting was the first step in saying, ok, who, who wants a piece of this,
you know, is, is the Maritime center ready to go and exploring their ideas around
Kelp, is the school wooden boat building ready to, you know, think about a new program
that specifically meets these needs. And so, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's, I mean, there's
so much latitude within that grant program to be able to do something cool, but that
means, you know, really creating, having a vision and the right partners at the table
who are ready to go on something. And that's, I think that's going to be the challenge
if, if we can um coalesce around the right idea that gets the
right partners willing to um you know, kind of invest and it's a lot of effort and
a lot of uncertainty as to whether it will ultimately get funded. So it'd be good
to reach out to Betsy at the boat school because I know she's had a number of conversations
like the land trust about using wood from two, make a bridge for certain applications
at the both school. So just finding out what other conversations he's had because
I know there, there's more than just that one that's been had and she's on the executive
committee of no DC. So she's been following this really closely and has expressed
an interest in it but, you know, it's still in that kind of like, wait and see. Um,
yeah, there was no DC was less willing to put a lot of work in before the NOO came
out and that was just a few weeks ago. And so that's, you know, I think that's why
we're further behind the ball than DC was because they had funding for the project
on that. Yeah. Yeah.
So, yeah, I think the um I'm not sure what the next steps were coming out of the
meeting last week and then obviously the task force, um you guys will provide some
more structure to this. Great guess. I just, it's hard to get industries
to lead what we need to do on this. It's just kind of antithetical. It seems like
to ask the, you know, the pioneers in the industry basically to
come into a government bureaucracy to make that work seems um squishy to me, I guess,
and I'm wondering uh about just infrastructure. I mean, because that's, that's what
we understand and what they understand when I say they industry in general and it's
clearly covered by uh the rec compete program. I mean, I assume that the NR program,
what they're really going to need is ultimately,
I guess, I mean, I don't know what else that we can build. That can, I mean, we can't,
you know, give money to the wooden boat school, we can't give money to, you know,
a particular to the paper mill that's, that's explicitly forbidden. Right. Yeah.
And this is always the, the tension in economic development is how do you use, you
know, publicly funded economic development? How do you use public funds in a way
that um isn't gifting? Um And yet, you know, the private sector exists to make a
profit. And um so I think infrastructure is great. I think that there's, I think
that alone would not be competitive. I do think uh training programs is probably
a sweet spot. And so having the colleges on board and you know, that's where industry
can really help inform. Like this is this is the kind of training, this is these
are the skills we need training for. There's probably some infrastructure, you know,
the um the CITC, what does that stand for? Carbon? So the carbon recycling trading
center C RT C carbon recycling training center in Port Angeles is an example of that
where the ed A funded the infrastructure building, this facility, funding the college
to do the training industry, put money into it as well. And so they have a facility
and a training program for people to be working, um, in a, a new and innovative
field. Do you think training is, is the biggest barrier right now to, to workforce
age 25 to 49 54 whatever it is. I mean, I think there's definitely a, a disconnect
between the skills that are needed here on the peninsula and the for higher paying
jobs, for living wage jobs and the workforce that we have. Um, the trouble is and
what, what we're learning is that, um, folks can't afford to upskill because they're
working so hard just to pay for basic needs like housing. Um And so would they take
advantage of opportunities? You know, and basically there's been so much co uh, tuition,
forgiveness and support the last few years because of COVID funding, um that it's
basically been free to attend a lot of different community college level uh, programs
and people haven't been taking advantage. But the, um, the anecdotal evidence points
to the fact that it's just to, people can't afford to be retraining while working
to pay their rent often because they can't live where they're working. So they're,
you know, already driving an hour, you know, so you add something else in that and
not enough childcare. So that child care was called up quite a few times in the Yeah.
So that's, I, I think, you know, there is some question Karen talked about last week
about whether, you know, how to, how to pay for help support housing costs, I think,
I mean, I think housing was kind of poop as, as, as part of the application. But
when I read through it and my friend Chad GP T as well, there's a lot of opportunity
I think to make, I mean, housing is the biggest barrier. You know, there's like a
definitional disconnect between, you know, this is not supposed to be funds to address
demographic realities I think is what they said. So if you have a specific example
that they don't want to fund with, this is um you know, if you are in an area that
has a lot of early retirees, so they're out of the workforce because of that, then
that's not a barrier. But, you know, lack of wraparound services is a barrier. And
we know that housing, I mean, I would, I would argue pretty declarative that housing
is the biggest barrier to our workforce bar. None. I mean, you know, when I talk
to the E DC, they say the same thing, you know, expanding the industrial capacity
without more housing is not gonna solve the problem, it's going to exacerbate the
problem. So I, I guess I feel like acknowledging that in any application. Um I
was thinking of that I made a new word. Uh Did you make the new word or your buddy?
Make the word? I made the word art. I did, I did see if anyone else had made the
word I did some research on it after afterwards. But uh Perma structure which is
a union of permaculture and infrastructure is sustainable, infrastructure and sustainable
infrastructure includes housing capacity and where the potential for housing capacity.
And I guess when I look around Jefferson County, I see if we want to really make
economic development, it's working in our Landers as we've already started doing
right in Britain and Quil and, and um the urban growth area in Chico and tri area,
Glen Cove and creating more housing capacity. And I would say if those things could
be fit into an application with Jefferson County over Clown County about infrastructure,
then you can, it's easy to make just a kind of a blanket to tie them together with
a thesis. But I mean, I don't know, I feel it gets really squishy when we're talking
about training to do these jobs that, you know, will exist. Even if there's no house,
you need to put the public, there's no time to do the training because you're working
your job, right? And when I've talked to small businesses, they're often very willing
to do the training. Like the training is, you know, even we know a transit, they're
happy to pay for your CD right now for free public works will pay for your CD. So
like training is a shadow of the barrier that housing is. Yeah. No. And something
I would love to see which I've heard the report talk about for some time now too
is um uh doing more um mixed use development for uh live work
spaces. I think that would be um you know, if that's something I was, you know, things
we worry about in the middle of the night, I was up in the middle of the night thinking
about how to, you know, what exactly our kind of legislative ask is gonna be around
la and flexibility. Um And, and that flexibility, especially around multi family
or, you know, more dense housing types is going to be a real challenge to get that
allowed in LA. But if you can tie it to, you know, where in lands the transit is
serving or, you know, very specific, like try to meet other criteria with it or where
you're creating jobs to. Yeah, exactly.
So I think that that could be one way to call that a lot. Oh, good, good. Um But
also to, to create kind of a, an interesting, a compelling housing story as if we're,
we're looking at new um building types and land use types here that do a combined
work live um situation. The court's been wanting to do that and potentially they
were talking about buying one of the hotels down there. Yeah, I think the ports work
in agriculture as well. I mean, that's kind of all of a sudden moved into a traditional
private industry that's moved into a public sphere for support. I mean, that's why
ports got into the port business in the first place was because the privatization
of port was creating barriers and you know, creating a lot of inequity. So drove
by Viva farms in S Gadget Valley twice on Saturday and they are still growing. More
acres are in production right there along highway 20. So super inspiring project
on port property scat. Wow, they rent uh small plots
of acreage to, you know, new farmers so that they can get, get a business plan going.
Yeah, I love it. And you know, we talked about uh food hubs as well, you know, back
from COVID and before that, you know, uh food resilience and being able to create
our calories on, on the in the county. I'm gonna come to the solid waste task force
and make a comment about looking at a food hub as part of that capital facility planning
for was, yeah, I think that the challenge with, with egg and food production in terms
of rec compete will be the um the wages don't support, you know, the the wages are
lower than what we compete is hoping, you know, so you have to rely on the data that
we have, which is that egg and food manufacturing wages are typically very low. So
it would not meet their criteria for um the type of jobs to develop. But, you know,
again, we have to make the case that we're wanna do something innovative and you
know, so maybe we can challenge that assumption. But I mean, growth is just, is not
uh uh just uh an absolute good, right? I mean, sustainable growth is, is a different
thing and, and growing, the way that we're growing responsibly, the way that our
population wants to grow that it naturally grows is
that trail off. Yeah, I mean, and it's, it's having worked with and been funded by
the Ed A for, I don't know, seven years or something right before getting elected
was, um, I'm just so aware of the limitations of their, um, definitions around pretty
much everything. And, um, so, you know, I get to, we get to push the envelope a little
bit. This is a much more flexible funding program than they've ever had. But, um,
it's, you know, we've always been really tied to their metrics for things like wages
and, you know, and that carries over into the workforce development realm too where,
you know, funding can only be used in the industries that are both growing in demand
and have sustainable wages. So, it's, it's a, it's a challenge but Erin at the port
would probably be another good person to call in advance of going into these meetings
because he's, I know he's been thinking about this stuff too. Yeah. And he's also
on the executive board of no DC. And he came from land so he knows all about what
they've done up there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they both had good ideas. Me and Betsy.
Um So I hope they will be engaged. I assume they sent folks to the meeting last week.
Ok, cool. Well, thanks for letting, thinking through that, that stuff with me. Per
structure, per structure. You got this great. Yeah.
Yeah. All right. Well, I, I would keep in mind that the like, I mean, you brought
it up to you are the lamb flexibility, you know. So again, the middle of the night
stressor was like, you know, how, how do we address um
waste water treatment if we're asking for flexibility in lands, knowing what, you
know what the red flags are for future wise. Um So sprawl and waste water and probably
drinking water supply, which is less of an issue because we do have some public water
available in our land. But um I think, yeah,
yeah, yeah, I would, I would assume, but I, I can't say that with the same certainty.
Um But you know, so in terms of infrastructure are there, um you know, so
for waste water would say putting in large ons site, septics losses in our lam, would
that be more of a red flag for um G MA violation, the risk of G MA violations
or is that actually, you know, solving a uh concern? So, um yeah, yeah.
What's her if I don't remember her first name, Senator Short, she's from the East
Side, but she, she introduced Sandy And that's Roger's W Right, Sally
Short and Sally, Sally, um she introduced a couple of those lamed pieces of legislation.
So she may have had conversations with other communities about lamed flexibility
that would be helpful. Yeah. Yeah. No, they've been going on for years and that was
the first one that uh 52 75 was the first one that was um really successful in any
substantive way. Um And I think it provides a little bit of latitude for us but still
doesn't do much for us. Density of housing, you know, still really tied to that zoning
phase two of the luck to her, it's looking like it's gonna be Roadie Drive and is
not, is outside of the UG A regardless, goes up to road but not to Irondale. I, I'm
just wondering, I mean, that would be an opportunity because that adds what kind
of, I mean, most of that is residential with some commercial? I mean, does it get
add? Uh I'm just wondering if that is something that we could maybe look at if we
compete. No a piece. I think something to check in with Monty about.
Yeah, I know the the concern is that any, if we include any land use that opens up
the project to being challenged and stopping construction, which then funding. Yes,
then the funding disappears if we can't meet that deadline. So there's not this of
funding the next chunk of funding, right? This chunk of funding is all allocated
to that one. Phase one, right? But the phase one, yeah. So the phase like if we were
doing looking into phase two, it would be a different thing and I think it wouldn't
necessarily threaten phase three. Got you doing that. Yeah. Or at least starting
the conversation about what phase two is gonna look like. I mean, I think that's
already, that be a Josh and Monty conversation is where is phase two planning at.
Although I still think that where that phase one is where we would want to really
think about. Um, especially, yeah, commercial and manufacturing and light industrial
zoning. Putting that in residential is not, that's not what we're, I don't think
that's our goal. Um So,
all right. Food for thought. Well, I, I will turn back and make one last call. If
anyone has public comments, we've got a little bit of latitude today, we'll entertain
it and people are in this topic. I know, I know it's
literally keeping me up at night. All right. Well, I, I will close public comment
now and I guess we can, I mean, just to, are we hoping to just stop at 11, then you
guys Mark and Heidi have a meeting at 11? I mean, we sooner if we get through our
calendar and all right. Well, that's, that'll be our plan. Let's, let's, uh, get
on with it. Um, who would like to start looking back like I'm happy to start.
Um, last Monday was here with you guys
went out and checked the crab pots. After that, our engine died. We got rescued.
It was an exciting day at crab camp, but we were close to the shore and rescue was
close as well. So it wasn't, we weren't, our hair was not on fire but it was still
you could. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Friends in the right places in the marina closest to us.
Um, and then I had a meeting on Tuesday morning with Sarah Ogden from
DNR to talk about um, upcoming, um, meetings with us with our full
board about our letter that we sent back to Hillary Franz. Commissioner Franz and
how to, um, what's the right kind of, what team from DNR do we need to be part of
that meeting? So she's going back to talk with Dwayne Emmons about it and they will
work to, they're not looking to meet with us as a full board until like September
or October because everyone at DNR is taking vacations in the summer. And anyway,
just to get everyone's calendars aligned, it looks like September, October. So stay
tuned for that. Hey, Heidi, can I for just a second ask? Um, can you in a nutshell,
describe the difference between what the King County Council asked of DNR and what
we have asked for in the past? Not so much in this most recent letter, but the, you
know, there. Have you read their letter? It was about one timber sale, wasn't it?
Yeah. But, and, but more specifically about the legacy forests and um, a few counties
have sent DNR letters about the Legacy Forest issue. Um And didn't we early on, wasn't
that one of our first? Yeah. And many of the tracks of land in our specific letter
back to um, Commissioner Frans were what people call legacy forests, older forests,
older structurally complex forests. And also in our letter back to Commissioner Franz,
we also called out the need to identify as part of the 2000 acres. The legislature
allowed for in the $83 million budget proviso. We called out the need to identify
tracts of land that we could secure protection for using that funding, but we did
not put specific timber sales or tracks in our letter. So it's I I feel like uh
the King County letter is a subset of what we've been discussing with DNR. Ok. Um
But we've had more kind of robust conversations with the region about areas to look
for replacement lands and to work with rainier timber so that replacement lands that
are purchased, support other kind of landscape level uh protection that has been
going on in the community. So around DEA Bay and other areas. Um So when we've, we've
gotten, I'm assuming we've all gotten them letters saying like, you know, we want
you to do it. King County did I kind of wanted to respond and say, I think we did
but I need some confirmation before I say that, you know, maybe a little different
thrust, but I don't know how, how um people feel like what King County has done is
different. I mean, I can look at that letter more with a, more of a fine tooth comb
but um King Jack County joins the fight. OK.
Can call me letter.
I think it seemed more general than what we have or maybe where we started and have,
have further refined most so largely their letter is a list of
questions
and they're talking about deferring one timber sale, the wishbone sale until it can
be reconfigured.
Yeah, they're just talking about this letter from the King County Council to DNR
is talking about one timber sale. Um So you don't feel like there's some action that
we should be taking in support of this. Do we want to send a letter of support of
pulling the wish phone timber sale and County? I don't. Yeah. Yeah.
No, that's that, that letter is specifically about one timber sale. Ok. And you know
a lot more about this so that
to make sure I wasn't missing something. Um
Yeah, thank you. Sorry to interrupt. No. Oh, let's see, back to the calendar. So
we'll have a meeting with DNR in the fall.
Um
uh As kind of related to that I did get an email from Bob Winslow at DNR last week
that they were able to find the funding to complete the last um
day Bob Trust transfer. The one that's been going on since before I was a commissioner.
Yeah. Yeah. So, so, so as you remember in the legislative session that during the
legislative session, not as part of the legislative session, the appraisal, the funding,
the funding uh recipe for that um trust transfer became more complicated because
the there was some part that had been left out and they needed to find more funding
and they went back to RCO and there had been funding left from a previous day, Bob
transaction. So there is now enough funding to complete that trust transfer, which
was a big question as to whether that could be completed in the time frame that it
needs to be. So that one is moving forward as well. Um Let's see. And
then we had our um Jefferson Wednesday afternoon, we had our Jefferson Transit Authority
Public hearing on the five year plan, Tuesday, sorry, Tuesday afternoon. And um
nobody testified. So, um anyway, onward, the plan looks good and we had a couple
of comments for staff from the authority board but looks good and it's moving forward.
Um a little bit of a conversation there about the zero emission bus, you know, mandate.
I forget what, what specific vehicle it came up about. But do you, do you remember?
Oh, we did. Yeah, that was that was the, you know, but we just kind of confirm that
that's our desire to move in that direction. So, um, oh, I think we just revised
some language. They had some language because it's a five year ongoing plan. That
was a little bit more conservative, I think and made a few adjustments. Um In the
evening on Tuesday, I went to an MRC gathering at Sarah Fisk's house. Dreamy. OK.
Just saying, just saying out loud, that was one of the most dreamy places I've ever
been in Jefferson County. I miss, I miss being on the MRC for that reason and Milo
loved it. He swam and swam and swam. Um Wednesday morning, I did a walk and talk
with Aaron Burr in the port, talked about the drainage district and other port collaborative
issues. Um I always love walking around in the, I think it's my future. My future
will be in the port after I leave Commissioner life. Um Somehow Jefferson and
then we had our strategic planning check in at 10 30 with our consultants
and that is moving ahead. Well, as you all know, and then we had our community outreach
meeting Wednesday evening in Chico. And again, it was very lightly attended by members
of the public. And I don't know, I, since this is my first round of these I've done
and I used to be an outreach person that was my professional past. I'm like, what
is going on. We did tons, more outreach for this one than we did for the previous
one. I mean, we, right. And then somebody said, well, you didn't use Disc, your Discord
channel. And I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that one. But it was just this thing
of like,
no, I mean, I, that's how I communicate with the farmers in though. Share, share
things with them and I forgot to put it there. So, uh, yeah. Yeah. So anyway,
I, you know, I just said maybe it's the, maybe it's the season, maybe it's not a
summer thing that we don't do this in the summer because I remember doing events
for the Land Trust and for the Maritime Center. And I mean, how was the Land Trust
event? Did you want to go to that?
I wasn't invited. Yeah, I was not invited. So I don't know how it was. Must have
been nice. Um Let's see. Uh then Thursday,
we had our board of health meeting in the afternoon and my eldest goddaughter turned
14, which, oh my God, what happened to those years? So, yeah, that was, that was
a big day for me in my life. And then Friday morning, I went to WSU and participated
in interviews for our next, our next 4h coordinator. Unfortunately, I think I've
said this out loud a number of times. But Sarah Peterson, who we were all really
excited about who we just hired like eight months ago. Her husband got a job in Maine
and they left our side of the country and went to the other side. So we lost Sarah
and we had two great um applicants and so made a, made a decision on one to offer
to and that we'll see how that goes. Um And then right after that, I got a call from
DNR about maybe a need to have an emergency declaration about a boat that was sinking
in Matt Bay. And you know, remember last time that happened underneath the Indian
Island bridge, we had some time, it took us a couple of weeks to get that boat out
of the water. This one was like, maybe we have to get it out today. I'm like, I don't
know how I declare an emergency on Friday. I need, I guess I would have need to call
one of you on Fridays, I swear. So, so I wanted to talk through that. I mean, if
there is a need to call, do we just have a special meeting? We did that for, um,
the road on the west end.
Suspended.
Ok. So I could have called. So that was my thing after they call them like, ok, I
guess I call, I call, I call Kate or Greg and with Caroline. Yeah,
but, um, but they told me to hold off and so I went, but I, I went down there because
being the kind of person that likes to see the things that I'm being asked to. So
I drove down there and sure enough, you know, there's a big oily sheen on half of
Mass Mass Bay and a boat sunk in the water and Coast Guard and Department of Ecology
were there. And so they were working with global diving and salvage to get the oil
and gas out of the boat before it all escaped into the bay. And they were able to
get the rest of the oil and gas out of the boat. So I got an update from Dr this
morning that it's no longer an emergency situation. But unfortunately for the marine
environment, a lot of gas and oil did get in the bay in Mass Bay. Um And
then Friday after that, that was the afternoon and then um I think
that was it, let's see, did anything happen on the weekend that I need to tell you
guys about?
Nope. Um went to Edison and did see the growing viva farms, which always makes me
smile. Um But no crabbing this last weekend.
Um Yeah, that's it. Do we wanna, do you wanna look? Ok. So this week,
um here with you this morning, Mark and I have a meeting at 11 about the, with our
consultants peak sustainability, about the conversations we're having about the,
the legacy drainage district in and how to uh move forward with that. As you'll remember
we all received. I think we all received the letter from, um, auditor hunting Ford
about the need to have a hearing by September 1st about inactivity of the drainage
district. And, um, so we're trying to figure out with a group of stakeholders what
our request will be at that hearing. Um, and we're making progress. So then I have
a Jefferson Transit Authority Board agenda prep meeting with council member Thomas
and, um, Nicole. And then I think I told you already that I just got invited to go
to the Barbie Movie tonight with my goddaughter. So I'm super excited about that.
I never get invited to fund things like that, not having kids. So I know I can't
wait to get to you and hear about the swift, swift world. But um I live vicariously
through you people with kids. So I'm super excited to go to the Barbie Movie. Um,
tomorrow we're in interviewing for the next grants administrator in the morning.
And then I have a community foundation Boardman meeting in the middle of the day
and then I'm gonna go go stay here and do the naloxone training in the afternoon.
Wednesday. We have budget committee. Are you doing the full one or the short one?
Short one? Oh, good. We didn't talk about that because I wanted to do it too, but
we're in different ones. Are you? Ok? And it's actually not county business. It's
training. Ok, Wednesday morning, we have budget committee. Um, and then we have our
strategic planning check in later in the morning and then we have a uh special L
tech meeting to review available funding and set the schedule for this year's L tech
grants and we have a couple of other special considerations for that meeting. Um
And then I'm gonna go for lunch to chi for, with a group of constituents. And then
I'm planning on going to that Democrats picnic at HJ Carroll Park Wednesday evening.
I think it's at five, um, trying to get a time take down
for the drainage, the next drainage district stakeholder meeting that might happen
on Thursday. It might not. And then I might be going to the Seattle Art Fair Thursday,
Friday, Ike's work's been included kind of last minute. And, um, if I do that, I'll
call into the solid waste task force meeting to make my comment about the potential
for a food hub at the um, next facility also be a special meeting of the Bocc. Of
course, facilitate that. Yeah. And, and then this coming weekend, unfortunately,
I have to help with a memorial for a friend who passed and cooking some fish. So,
but it'll be nice to gather with people and remember him. So that, that's the next
week. Come on. All right. Ok. You wanna? Yeah. Last week had a
short work week because I was at Fred Hutch with my husband for a couple of days.
Tuesday and Wednesday did get back for the community outreach meeting. And um yeah,
just love to find ways to get more folks come into those and um maybe we can
task Wendy with, you know, kind of doing some research on how other governments are
changing their outreach. You know, it just seems like our old channels aren't working.
Is there, is there a new way that we're not finding to reach folks? Um Do you think
it's potentially just to this kind of post COVID people not used to meeting in person
again or, you know, and, and then the other thing that people have been said to me
is because you guys are doing a good job, but I know people reach out to me with
things, they think we're not doing a good job about. So I know there's people out
there. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I mean, there isn't a big controversy, right? We had the
commercial shooting range, uh going on. There are a lot of people at the community
meeting, I think, yeah, I think there is some truth to that. Things are going pretty
calmly, you know, more controversy in the city at the moment. Yeah. But like even,
I mean, they in the intervening months, even before I took office, there was a lot
of folks who were concerned about the port had luck, um waste water treatment system
and I thought the outreach meeting might draw some of them out. But yeah,
so,
um Thursday, um board of Health meeting,
and we really have, we didn't take any action at Board of Health meeting. Nothing
to report on there. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. We have a few applicants for one
vacant position, which we'll be deciding on next month or at least interviewing next
month. Um, Friday, I had a, an Olympic Consortium board meeting. That's the oversight
for the Olympic workforce development. Um, and, uh, they are starting a strategic
planning process for the whole workforce development council. So, um stay tuned,
I'll try and bring back updates on that, but it's a five or six year plan on efforts
around workforce development that I keep reminding them really needs to be aligned
with. Um There are rec compete efforts. Um And two staff people from Olympic workforce
were at the meeting last week. So, so far they're getting the message that those
need to be aligned. Um We had the county coordination meeting which we all attended
in various uh configurations. Um And uh what to
report out there. Um Mostly.
Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. And not successful collective bargaining. Um But always nice
to. Yes. Yes. Yeah, that was the main feedback. Um Mark was how uh how
prompt the uh finishing collective bargaining was before the contract was over rather
than a year after the contract was. Yes. Yeah. Departments, departments really appreciated
that um uh then went over to public works and had a good update
on the sewer project. Um So, you know, really appreciate everything public works
is doing and, uh, look forward to digging in on the sewer ordinance that will come
before us this fall and winter Saturday Taylor Swift concert. Of course, it was interesting
that, um, you know, there were 72,000 people there, largest events ever. Um, but
I was thinking that's 22 Jefferson counties, population of two Jefferson counties.
And, um, it was such a love fest and I was like, what would it take to get everybody
in Jefferson County all on the same page? Like, just positive and loving about one
thing, the memorial field, arguing about roundabouts, you know, like, I it just,
it was like, we live in the most beautiful place in the world and why can't we come
together? Like, even if it's just once a year. And so I was, I was inspired um
and a little dumbfounded that it takes, you know, pop music to bring people together
in that way. But um just such a love fest, like people willing to put aside differences
and just be sharing a moment together. And um it's rare that humanity is able to
do that and in our jobs, I think it feels even more rare like when we are trying
to find consensus and provide leadership towards a common goal that it's so challenging
to do and yet, you know, one pop star can come in and do it. So I, I don't think
so, but I do wanna, you know, it's like, what are the, how are the ways that you
reach people, um, and appeal to their best selves to, like, you know, show up in,
in a positive way. I feel like, does that the best here? Yeah. Yeah. The roadie parade.
I mean, it's, to me this year that was super high point. Yeah. And that kind of energy.
Yeah. Yeah. So maybe I need to work on my lip sync, um, for parade. Do you know,
do you know the songs, Kate Taylor Swift songs? I do. Oh, yeah. So, having had teenagers
for what, you know, 10 years now, I, I've been, I've had a lot of Taylor Swift in
the background. So my girls, um, my goddaughters, my girls, um, I have a little Bluetooth
speaker. They bring on the crab boat and they always, well, we need to be able to
pick my song for when I'm pulling the pot and we're like, ok, so it's often Taylor
Swift and I don't, there's, they're like pulling on their pot and it, and I'm like,
I don't know any of these songs. I am out of it. Yeah. I think Taylor Swift has made
it ok to like, uh, pop as an adult too, you know. She is a great unifier. Yep.
Yep. Yeah. And, and just a lot of positive messages and, um, so it was uplifting
and yes, a little bit of gossip. So you can have a little bit of gossip in it still.
Yes. Yeah. And of course, you know, heartbreak and, you know, not. Yeah,
exactly. Um, the coming week, let's see, I have a phone call with Bridget Gregg tomorrow.
Um, part of, um, the fairgrounds, you know, kind of rebirth is
trying to be conscious of the relationship with 4H and, uh, the county fair in
particular and the fairgrounds in general. So, um, we need to give some attention
to that. Well, we do have a new WSU director starting next week. Sharma will be with
us next week. So I know that there's going to be some transition there and then we'll
have a new 4h coordinator as well. So just be aware there's transitions in the works
and the, and the part of as part of that conversation. Well, and I appreciate Greg
uh Bridget Greg trying to, you know, Bridge. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um So, and I look
forward,
look, I do look forward to meeting the new director uh then doing the naloxone training
tomorrow. Um Wednesday. Um I need to be at Fred Hutch with my husband. So hoping
Heidi will fill in for me on budget committee meeting again. 10 minutes. Thank you
so much. Um I should be able to join the housing fund board meeting. Uh I will be
able to uh I'll be virtual though Thursday. Uh We have our child uh
two different childcare meetings. This is a community foundation, does one that that
is Wednesday morning. Uh, no DC meeting Wednesday afternoon, followed by a fairgrounds
meeting in the evening.
Sorry, that was Thursday, Thursday. Um, Friday, since the solid waste
task force meeting is being noticed as a public meeting. I might just want to sit
in and, uh, listen in because I've never been able to participate in any of those
since I haven't sat on that committee. So I will plan to join that. Saturday night
is um the county fair kickoff dance. We're doing a dance in advance. It's a 10 days
or so before fair actually starts. But Ben Thomas from city council will be leading
some line dancing and it'll be a fun event. So I encourage folks to come. Um
And so are there two Dems events? Ok. That's the one in swim, right?
Ok. And we're celebrating my mom's birthday that day. So I'm not gonna be able to
join. Unfortunately, this Wednesday night, I'm in Seattle, but I, I don't think I
can make it back from Seattle. So I'm sorry to miss both of those. That's it for
me. All right, let's see. Last week with you guys. Of course, on
Monday and transit, as well as the South County harm reduction meeting on
Tuesday, naloxone, Narcan Boxes are going in at the Quil Fire Department as
well as ultimately both the community centers down there. And, uh I think the Brennan
Fire Department too, so it's, it's great that that's happening um, on Wednesday we
had a special meeting of the left one board and we're going through a complicated,
uh, reimbursement for someone. But the thing that maybe I'd share is we've, uh, suggested
that both the city and county pay for, uh, airlift and what's the other one, the
other helicopter, air flight life flight for the, the members they get, you know,
there's only about 12, I think, uh, members that were in the, the earlier within
the left one, not the left two, which is what firefighters and law enforcement officers
now. And you know, this one that we are not reimbursing was, you know, it's a $50,000
ambulance ride basically when they get in a helicopter and it happens more often
for our seniors. So just it seems like proactively paying for that out of the city,
it comes from straight from the general fund in the city. How much is it per person
for both of those? It's like 1 30 or something per person and some people might have
annually for both for both $70 each. And there's also a program if they're on um
a Medic Gap program, which I think is a Medicaid expansion or something that covers
those flights. So there might be some members that are already covered with the Medicap.
So, but a little, a little bit in front just to prevent some, some really uh uh heinous
charges and our loved one does not cover transportation anymore though, according
to some of the institutional memory it used to. But our policy is quite clear that
it doesn't now. So that's a change. And the went to the anti racist class that I've
been participating in really thought provoking good stuff there. And then I had,
uh, a ride along with Sergeant SGO of the Sheriff's Department for a couple of hours
and what, what, what inspired that. Um, just, I'm, I'm curious how all, all of our
different systems work. I want to do a snow plow ride along too. So I had never done
a, a sheriff's deputy. Right. I want to do one too. But I just wonder what inspired
it. Yeah. Um, I, I missed the opportunity. I could have gone with him on the evening
of the Fourth of July and I, I couldn't do that. That would have been really interesting,
but this was still interesting. We had a lot of engagement on one call with, uh,
the Navigator so we could see how law enforcement and the Navigators worked together.
And that was a big question that I had is the efficacy of that partnership. And kind
of just, I don't know, getting understanding the vibe a little. There was a lot to
do. I haven't done it since COVID. But, yeah, it's the first time I've done it, I've
been intending to do it long. I, I'll, I'll do more of it but, you know, we both
did the cares right along. I found really instructive and, and I wanna go along with
the real team as well. So we're just seeing how these different systems interact
and then joined you guys at the community outreach meeting at the community center.
And yeah, two members of the public and person and two online one I, I later learned
was AAA journalist. Um I mean, maybe I shouldn't have taken the fireworks off the
flyer. But uh, I mean, of course, all the district three have been well attended
so far and I am sure that they will continue to be. So I'm gonna just take it as
a, as a competition. And that's because people don't, you know, they have problems
with their commissioner in district three. I think we're just marginalized. So we're
like what the government's coming here. I'm joking too. Um, but there is a lot to
talk about and I really, I actually got a lot out of the sewer presentation that
everyone who was there. So I think having ancillary benefit is, is probably justifiable.
I think, I don't know, someone had floated, maybe not having subsequent meetings
and I just, I'm not really interested in that too much just because we had poor attendance
at some, you know, it doesn't mean that other communities aren't going to engage.
So it seems disingenuous to what's on the minds of the local residents. And I think
the further south we go, the greater attendance will be, yeah, there's a lot more
on our minds. Um, but, uh, also I think finding, um, as Kate said earlier,
something that folks want to talk about. So, for the next couple of meetings, I'm
gonna take it on myself to do a little bit of like, what do you guys want to talk
about out in Gardner? And they're gonna want to talk about the boat ramp and fireworks
and what do you wanna talk about in, in, in, in uh in the west end? So a little more
kind of seeding the pot with some uh um uh explicit outreach to, to the, some of
the community leaders down there I think will help then on Thursday, um I
went to crabbing on Thursday for the first time off the pier down here in Port Townsend.
It was great. I loved it. Uh Got Red Rock mostly, which is a lot of work to, to get
him out. You don't like him as much back. Uh Well, we didn't have the luxury of,
of 50 crab. We had three crabs. So, but uh it's, it's nice to be able to, you know,
just drop it in, go walk around downtown a little bit and just go get your crab.
So super convenient. I, I'll be back. I'm allergic. I know. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry,
I just, I'm allergic to, to boats breaking down when I'm on them. So we just,
you know, need to instead of just one of two,
but the wind was howling that night. So it was wild wild ride. Uh and then did agenda
planning with Chris and, and, and Mark's absence at risk pool. And then uh he was
a, it was a heavy list of Jenny. Yeah, it did not take too long. Uh And then Board
of Health, of course we talked about and uh I went and met with some of the leaders
from the American Legion who are, I don't know, having some frustrating communications
with regarding the shelter and just trying to help give guard rails for everyone
so we can navigate this last, this last chapter of our, of the shelter's uh existence
of the American Legion gracefully. And I think that was well appreciated. I just,
I happened to uh you know, I was hanging around hood, living around poor towns and
as the kids do and, you know, went to the concert on the docks and saw the great
presentation from the city about Evans Vista and the different options that they
have. So that was a good, good conversation with, with Emma and Steve out there.
And they did that at concerts on the dock. They did, they just, they had just uh
booths up and all their placards out and everything. So it wasn't like a, a presentation,
but it was good. Um Moving along and I was like, well, I'd love to learn more. So
I think they'll include all of us instead of just Kate, maybe as they move forward
because I really haven't seen very much. I don't know. Have you seen much as it's
come? No. And I haven't done anything with it vista for ages. Yes, they're still
moving along. You know, the consultants are working through it. So curious to see
they've got a couple proposed ideas, but there's still a fundamental thing. I don't
understand what they really identified is that the, the sector that they need to
create housing for is the 200% and uh below of median income, that's like the
workforce that struggles to get housing. And I'm like, where, how are you gonna pay
for that? All the money is like 60% ami and below maybe 80%. So it's gonna be one
of our legislative pushes. Yeah, I guess. Um so is it 200%?
I'm, I'm seeing more and more 200% federal poverty level, 200% poverty level, 200%
poverty level. Um but is it federal poverty level or do they do they? I don't know
what they're doing thinking for Evans Vista, but I'm seeing that bless you more than
Ami, which it would be interesting to do an analysis and see which is more beneficial
for us here. Yeah, I mean, our, our AMI is actually fairly low, I think.
Yeah. And according to Assessor Chapman, it was expected to go way up and then came
way back down from Ofm. And like, it's not helpful Friday, we canceled the uh bhaso
meeting. There was not, not, not too much to go on about, um, talked with uh Mr Peters
from D CD, a couple issues and then county coordination. Then I went on the radio
with Nicole, got there and, and uh Debbie Yay from the GM of Transit as well as uh
the uh chair of tag. They did great. They talk about fair free. We argued about it.
That was like one of our pre seated arguing and uh um they were like still zero fare.
But if you're talking free fair, that's, that's still accurate. I'm going with free
fair. I feel like I won the argument but we didn't, I couldn't get Jim to, to uh
crown a winner. Um But we did talk about zero fare. We talked about electric buses,
we talked about um new membership on J Tab as well as the need for more people on
the tag and, and the important roles that tag uh offers. We'll listen to Magic Bust
by the who and one other bus song. I, I forget which one but that was good then.
Uh And that's, that was pretty much it. I didn't this, this coming week.
Let's see. I have the finance meeting tomorrow morning and then meeting the Chief
black for some coffee on Wednesday. I'm gonna miss the river collaborative to join
you guys or at least um Heidi at the budget committee meeting, the Housing fund board
meeting and I'll, I'll try to make it to the, the Dems picnic out there at HJ Carroll
Park on Thursday. I won't be able to go to the, was a broadband committee because
I'll be at the Jeffco 911 meeting going through collective bargaining with Jeff right
now, agenda planning with Mark. And then Friday, most of the day will be the solid
waste task force that I will be at, uh, with, uh, both of you guys, I guess.
Um, and then I'm Saturday. I'm going to art fair. Actually, we have a friend who's
in it. So we'll be, uh, we'll be gone Saturday and Sunday. So I'll be missing the,
uh, Sunday picnic and then, uh Monday, I'll be at Jefferson Health care all day.
We're not gonna have a meeting on the, the following Monday, of course, because it's
the fifth Monday. But I'll be, uh, give you a bunch of basal cell sarcomas carved
out of my body for somewhere between two and six hours. Yeah. Take it out, test it.
Is there anything left? Take some more, take some more. So it's, uh, kids wear your
sunscreen and, and that's it. Look at
you. I had a spicy week last week. I can't come close to matching that. All right.
Well, Mark, tell us about, uh, last week and this coming week, the Risk Pool conference.
I always think that must be such a wild party. The first managers kind of, kind of
a dull group.
Well, yeah, and I've got some news to share about premiums. Always you never bring
good news back from that, that conference. Pardon? So you never bring good news back
from that conference. Um, ok. So on the 17th, uh board meeting and then on the 18th,
trying to wrap things up before I left, I had coffee with Mallory Weinheimer in the
morning and then my senior management team meeting. Yeah. And then I met with, um,
Chris go and, um, me to talk about,
we ran into an issue with a position where we owe retroactive payments to the retirement
system. And so we just worked through that, then met to discuss the depreciation
schedule. You know, it's a mundane accounting thing, but we need to charge departments
depreciation so we can, um, pull some money to replace Munis. Uh, and we selected
a useful life of 15 years. Um, and so that is for Munis itself to depreciate. Yes.
Yeah. That's funny. I've never thought of software. I'd appreciate it.
We did it for Gems. And so we had 447,000 set aside to replace Gems when the time
came, was not enough, but 25%. But that, um, the ask of the general fund
was substantially reduced because we have that 4 47 set aside. And so this is just
responsible, uh, financial management and then of course, I sat in on the two hour
meeting on the rec compete grant. Um very, very interesting, a lot of very informed,
educated people contributing um a lot of good ideas. Um I'm looking forward to the
summary documents. Um And I'm sure Greg is the our rep to that group. Um All three
of you are looking forward to those documents, but you in particular, since you're
gonna be participating, any distillation, any takeaways that um it, it sort of ran
the gamut, it was very wide ranging. Um you know, we have industry here already and
there are things that can be further developed. And team work was really talked up
in having a coherent regional strategy but not nothing of an
exceptionally profound nature that I should share with you.
Then I met with uh my weekly with Brent Butler and, and then I had my monthly check
in with was uh the county administrator group, a big thing there that I'm really
interested in is a class action lawsuit on Indigent defense. It's a constitutional
duty of the state to provide defense for indigent individuals. And the argument is
that it's severely underfunded. And for example, we get about 35,000 to help us with
a million dollar annual cost slightly underfunded. And um there are other issues
associated with Indigent defense, especially east of the mountains where the supply
of attorneys is incredibly small and sometimes they struggle to provide
defense for indigent individuals. And they've got to import attorneys from out of
county. According to Eric Johnson, though, there's a risk here that
during the lawsuit, other parties might argue that our case standards are inappropriate
and that we need to dramatically lower them, which would then require us to bring
on additional attorneys and would substantially increase our cost. So it's one of
those careful what you ask for types of lawsuits because you could fail in your
effort but lose on a number of other fronts. And so anyway, I'm, it, it'd be great
if they would fund half of our indigent defense mission that would free up funds
for other important local needs like housing and so on. And that's just bolstered
with General Fund dollars. Right. Yes, it's all nondepartmental. Yeah. Yeah. So,
uh, ok, then on Wednesday, I was en route to Spokane and I was in Spokane for the
balance of the week. Um, now liability premiums and this is for the entire
county. We pay this out in nondepartmental. And then Judy Shepherd does a journal
voucher to spread it using our allocation methodology. The liability is going up
from 774,000 to 911. That's a 17.7% increase.
Is that like across the state everywhere is going up 17% or yes, it's not like a
risk
they're talking about, they call them nuclear verdicts where someone will sue and,
and, you know, a rational award might be 10 million, but the jury might award 100
million. And so the risk pool has actually had a number of large losses which contributes
to the increase in the premium. But then you have industry wide phenomenon occurring
and it's fewer insurers are providing quotes for our
reinsurance layers. You know, and the pool is looking at increasing its self insured
retention, which means that claims up to potentially 3 million, they would have to
pay out of reserves and they have to have the reserves in order to pay them and where
do the reserves come from? They come from member counties. And so they did increase
their s ira number of years ago and our premiums have gone up to help fund the reserves
so that they can actually stay in business with that increased SI R. So one thing
we need to look at and, and I know that Philip Morley talked about this a number
of years ago is doing a study to see if we should increase our deductible from 25,000
up to some larger amount which would um require um a historical review of what our
claims have been. And would it make sense? How many claims have we had? What were
our total payments? What would our total payments have been if we had to pay out
100,000 versus 25? And then compare that to the growth in premiums? So what's the
what's the premium differential? If you're deductibles, 25 versus 100,000, we would
have to look, look into. I would, I would need to get a quote from the risk pool.
If we doubled our deductible, would our premium be reduced by, by half? I don't believe
so. I don't believe it's a linear relationship, doesn't, but that would be part of
the study. So that's something I would put on my to do list. Um And that was a small
increase, the large increases in property and a number of reasons for that dramatically
increased property valuations and the cost of replacement or reconstruction.
You know, what's inflation been over the last few years, you know, 20%. So our property
uh premiums going up from 2 75 to 372,000, that's an increase of 40 5%. Now that,
that's still smaller than the premium increase that we saw between 21 and 22. Our
liability premium went up 40% that year. And so when you um and uh
crime terrorism cyber, those costs are static.
But when you uh when you add these two together, it's a 22.3% increase in the
premiums for these two items. So um another thing I would probably be prudent is
maybe to test the insurance market to see if we like Clark County did when they were
evicted from the pool. What would it look like if we, um, tried to insure ourselves
whether or not it would be cheaper, more expensive or what have you. So, I was wondering,
I mean, like, do we get data on if there are certain, is it just counties
in our pool? 24 counties? No cities, no other public entities. There's a risk pool
for cities also. Ok. So, um, I mean, are there counties that are costing much more
and that are costing the risk pool much more? And right. Well, if you look at that's
part of the information that they share is how many people are in a county, how many,
one chart, it shows how many liability cases, how many property cases and so on.
And there are some counties that, uh, I think one has 35 active cases. We have five
and they're all liability. We have no property cases at all. And when you think of
the cases that, um, that the risk pool knows about, we have the carpenter case, we
have the, the Dave Clark case. Um, we have the Julie Saint Marie case, um, and two
others,
but we don't know what the ultimate outcome of the lawsuits will be on those cases,
but the risk pool does set aside reserves.
So, um, I, I would say that of the 24 counties, we're probably in the bottom third
in terms of, um, claims where the risk pool has to fork out money to cover settlements.
And that's evident in our experience factor. If you're even in the group, your experience
factor is one. If, if you're worse than average, uh then your experience factor is
greater than one. So they take your premium on a straight line basis and they multiply
it by that experience factor. So then you end up paying a higher premium counties
with a better loss experience pay, they'll have a factor less than one. So,
you know, if, if you were at one and it was 10,000 and you had a 0.9 then you would
end up paying 9000. And so it's a, it's a fair system. What's our, is that? It's
1.05. Ok. So we're just a little bit above even. Um,
so, and you know, the risk management program, the whole purpose of that is to try
to keep that experience factor low.
Right? So, ok, so that was conference. Um, and then go on to
next week. And so, uh, oddly I have nothing on my calendar for Monday. Um, since
we're not having a board meeting, uh Tuesday Senior Management and then Risk management
at uh 10 30 I'm gonna have lunch with John Morrow um, at 11 45 and that's it for
Tuesday then on Wednesday. Um, and you're on this week, right? You're on this
current week? Yeah, I'm sorry, excuse me? I said next week but I, I meant this week.
Yeah. So, um, yeah, I'm totally messed up. Sorry. Um So short meeting today, tomorrow,
quarterly finance committee meeting and then grant uh administrator interviews. We
have two candidates for that. Uh Both of which have some promise and then the courthouse
security group is meeting tomorrow at noon. Um There's a courthouse security grant
that superior court and um Deputy Moore are um interested in pursuing and then Chris
will be there as the facility manager. Um And then in the afternoon, we're gonna
negotiate open negotiations with sheriff's admin. And so hopefully, um negotiations
with that unit will take no more time than it took with UFCW Wednesday budget committee
meeting strategic Plan project team meeting and then L A special meeting, I guess
we're going to talk about RFP numbers and other matters.
And then then on Thursday, Jeff 911 board meeting agenda planning with Craig and
then I'm gonna visit D CD and uh Greg Ballard is gonna run me through all the positive
changes he's made over there since arriving on 22 June. When is that? Pardon me?
When is that, that's tomorrow at two o'clock? Does someone want to join me? I would
love to join you? Ok. I will give them a heads up and I'll send you the invite. Um
And then in person. Uh Yeah. Uh let me just forward it to you. Then uh three o'clock
meet with Chris go and then four o'clock meet with Josh Peters and then on Friday,
um late time
So that's next week. We should probably look at the following week since we aren't
going to be here on Monday. I wanna take a look and see if there's any conflicts
next, the following week as well.
So keep going. Yeah. Ok, so Monday, no meeting now I'm on the correct week. Uh Then
on Tuesday Senior Management Risk Management, let's lunch with John Morrow and then
on Wednesday, um um thanks to the board approving the supplemental appropriation
that Sarah submitted for additional hr resources. We're going to interview for the
hr analyst position that the budget you provided will fund. Um and
then strategic plan project team meeting and then lunch with Chief Black and then
the public sector cabinet meeting uh at three o'clock and Kate, you're in on that
as I understand it. Then on Thursday meet with
Brent Butler in the morning agenda planning with Greg at 1 30. And then um James
Kennedy is interested in a case management software for his office. And so Chris
go arranged a software demonstration with a company called Cartel. And so a number
of people from James's office will be in on that demo. Um And then I weekly with
Chris and then my weekly with Josh and then Friday late time, great.
Other people want to go through their the first week in August real quick. Happy
to look. And then I was also gonna um just flag the attack just so you're aware of
it, Greg. Um We received a request for supplementary funding from the North Hood
Canal Chamber of Commerce for the Quilt Visitors Center because the Forest Service
has finalized their decision not to staff the offices. So we're, we'll be considering
that at our tech meeting next week as well. That's one of the special items. I think
it's, there might be one other one, but that's the one. and then the first week of
August, um I'll be attending that Dems picnic in Swim on Sunday, the 30th
24th LD Dems picnic. Um And then Monday, I
don't have anything on my calendar. So uh first week of August is a big week around
my house. We have our annual garden party, sculpture and garden party, so we will
be ramping up for that and I may take Monday to finalize my plans for later in
the week. And then um I'm holding a few times during the first week of August for
a next drainage district stakeholder meeting, have an MRC meeting the evening of
August 1st. Um holding some time for a piff meeting on the morning of August 2nd.
We haven't confirmed that haven't confirmed that date yet. Have a Jefferson Transit
Authority Finance Committee meeting on the afternoon of August 2nd and then on August
3rd and fourth, I may be out doing, getting ready for 100 people to descend on my
house or 75 people it looks like. So, um I haven't had much time this year. I usually
have, well, in years past, I've had more time to get prepared for this. So I'm just
gonna cram it all in that week. Um, but on Thursday evening or Thursday, August 3rd,
I have a, um, Jefferson County contingent for the Peninsula Trails coalition meeting.
And then Saturday the fifth is said, gathering. So that's my
first week of August in a nutshell. And, yeah, and then I said, I know the next,
the next week. So yeah, that's it.
Um I have a usual compliment of meetings that week. I have managed to fill up my
Monday with a couple of meetings already. Um The Municipal Research Service Center
um has a meeting that day. Um I'm on, I'm on the board of um Tuesday. I have a uh
Economic Development Council Finance meeting and a Maritime Washington National Heritage
area meeting. Wednesday is the Economic Development Council whole board meeting followed
by a check in with Jefferson Health Care and the public sector cabinet meeting. So
big economic development week next week. Um
I have E DC on there twice. Um have to be at Fred Hutch on the third and then fairgrounds
meeting that evening. Um And then then the week after
that, I, I, you know, I was supposed to be out on this with my husband on medical
leave this summer, but it got delayed until fall and I realized I should go see my
son who's working in Congress and that it was just, I assumed I wasn't going to be
able to lay eyes on him in that role. But I might try and squeeze in a few days in
DC to see him in his, uh, in his role working with Representative Kemp Perez. So
I might see if I can squeeze it in that second week before our, uh, medical stuff
really ramps up the third week of August. Um So stay tuned. I'll let you know if
I decide to, I, I'd probably do it as a long weekend and just try to miss a day or
two of work, but sounds good. Yeah, let's see. I have, uh, as my first weeks are
usually pretty light and I told you what I'm doing on Monday. Um I don't have anything
on the schedule yet for Tuesday, the first on Wednesday, the anti racist class every
two weeks and then Thursday, I have the 03 a council of governments meeting as well
as agenda planning and then a bit of a conflict with the parks and rec advisory board
meeting at the same time as the Port Ludlow Village council meeting. So I'm probably
not going to go to the village council meeting um because those often conflict and
I, I could send parks and rec for you if you need it. I'm making a presentation about
the kiosk, so I do want to go to the parks and rec this time when IS PLC it's uh
in person at 3 p.m. on the third. Not, not no good for you on the third of the day
or I am in Seattle. But uh, yeah, I think, I, I think I'm there till like one or
two. It would be hard to get back. But yeah, first thing on the agenda we've got
um big stuff coming up in the next couple of months with the village council is I've
been working a little bit with Josh about um coming up with a concept, I don't know
if you guys recall at the well attended district three community conversation meeting
when we, we talked about the end of the uh um moratorium on, on, on commercial tree
harvesting. So coming up, you know, Josh has met with the prosecutor's office and
everything and in the fall, we're going to get some concepts that we can run by the
community, the village council. So I think there's, there's not a lot to share this,
this Thursday, this coming the third. So if someone would like to attend, that would
be great. Um Good to have a different perspective, but I don't think it's great.
So let me know. Ok, I think it would be hard for me to get back. But Ludlow is on
the way back from Seattle is we're kind of looking at my six appointments and sat
on that day. Oh, don't envy that. Ok. Well, I know that uh Heidi and Mark have an
11 o'clock. Anything else folks want to touch on for the good of the order,
any update on two weeks from now, it will be two weeks. Let's, let's just take a
quick look at it.
How are we doing? And also I might just remind us that we do need to decide if we
want to um, help fund the North Olympic Legislative Alliance um for the upcoming
session. Why wouldn't we? We've only done it once and that was to relieve the E DC
of another expense. Um But we don't even know. I, I know, but yes,
and, and yet like the kind of scope of what they can advocate for, it depends on
if we're paying or not. So, you know, we have a lot more to say if we are helping
to fund it. Um not in a formal way in terms of representation of a vote or something.
But, you know, we, we have been a, an equal partner, I would say in setting the agenda
even though we pay a third. Um And, and I think I would probably lose my status as
a equal co-chair if I were if we were to not be paying. So, um
correct. That's nowhere. Right. $10,000.12 5000 a
month. Have we paid that invoice this year? I can look for that. I think it's about
1000 a month. I mean, I'd say we've not been invoiced recently, but, yeah, we've
been, oh, was that the, the convoluted agreement we just entered into? It
was more like a freeway. I can't remember how it transpired. It was a few months
ago. So it would have been Gordon Honeywell. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's the
one, sorry, you mean convoluted in a derogatory sense? I mean, I was really
motivated seeing the, um, lamb flexibility in our strategic plan and, you know, maybe
it is time to really start, you know, pushing some feel like innovation there.
Um And no would be a good place to do. That.
Sounds like we should just pull me up. Yeah, that seems like reason enough to me.
Um Well, I, I could um you know, participate in and say our
intention to do that and then it would go through um our usual contract process.
Um Yeah,
thanks for that. So, back to the board board and committee vacancies, it looks like
staff is working on advertising a number of them
and I will um I see there's a bunch of vacancies all get with Julian and figure out
which, which are vacant there. It, it says there are none on the sheet. But then
when you get down to the second page or the, the first page, it says there are 33
and then on the second page it says there are none. So I need to figure why uh why
that's and then it sounds like with conservation futures, there's hope for reappointments.
So a lot of time the vac, a lot of times the vacancies are just reappointments have
not been um, Dan and then Mmrc
03 actually appointed a few. I think that, ok, well, if, if there's a board committee
that you are the, the commissioner to and you know that there's a discrepancy in
the list, get with Julie to figure that out because a couple of times that's worked
for, she and I tore up the lists. Does, um, solid waste advisory committee? Do they
tend to recruit? Um, you know, there's always that difference in how boards function.
Some like to, uh, recruit members and some like us too is advertising currently and
we just got the district two person. So that's it, Steven Chaus. And there's another,
there's another district two person who's also interested. So that seat is, so there's
a, a number of seats that are filled on here. Ok, great. I have somebody great interested
for planning commission for district one I'm excited about. So I'll be twisting further
arm twisting there. We're looking for a district three member for the PF board. Huh?
It's a hard one to keep. Yeah. Are those meetings all, uh, hybrid? Um,
yeah. Yeah,
that, ok.
Hm.
District four noxious weed boards. Still Born Fruit Fruit. So, I have that one. Rattle
the cage again. Greg. Shake the cage because they're trapped up there with the, uh,
work on, on Snow Creek Road. Oh, they're trapped. They're literally trapped. They're
literally trapped. You see it, man? Have you seen pictures? And I know you sent them
as well. But, uh, it's like 40 ft down, you know, it's crazy to see in this road
that we go on all the time. Yeah, it's a steep, steep area. Ok. Well, uh, anything
last, last thoughts for the good of the order have a good, uh, it's like a whole
meeting and a half that we are taking a little summer vacation from.
Ok. Well, with that, we will, uh, I will adjourn this meeting and let, uh, Mark and
Heidi get off to the next one. See you guys on the seventh recording. Mark. I'll
just come over to your office. Ok. And I had, yeah,
Greg, is this Olia Kirsner in your district? Uh, there's ad CD complaint, I think
I responded to it also.