So
I think we're good. All right, good morning, everyone. I call this meeting to the
Jefferson County Board of Commissioners to order everyone had a nice summer weekend.
The county fair was lots of fun. Um, any announcements before we get started, um,
maybe just one consent agenda item that we need to pull because we're not sure of
the date, the, the end date of the appointment for the Port Ludlow Drainage District.
So we're just gonna need to, uh, get that information straighten out first number
14, if you can pull that. All right.
Um, and maybe, um, Caroline, do we know yet if we're gonna be meeting on the 26th
or not for this Monday? No, no, that was the Monday that Kate and I both wanted.
It's Kate's birthday and I want it and I will be in Canada. I think I'm looking at
the agenda planner real quick and I think we had planned a no meeting. Yeah, I have
my notes say that maybe it may be canceled due to foreign issues. Now, if they were
pressing items, we could have them as a consent item on the August 29th special meeting?
Mm. Oh, ok. And we could do, uh, also I could join for a little bit on Monday later
morning
on the calendar so far. I think we could try to not have a meeting. Ok. So, oh, wait,
I, I take that back. Right. That was, I thought there was something we need. There
was a continued public hearing, uh, at 1030. Right. So, yeah, the D CD is a placeholder
anyway. Yeah, I, yeah, so stay tuned. We might not be meeting him at six. All right.
Anything else? Ok. Let's jump into public comment. We welcome comments from the public
on any topic. Um Everybody has up to three minutes to address the board. It's helpful
if you tell us your uh name and place of residence that is not required and I will
start in the room who in the room would like to provide a public coel. Go ahead my
good morning.
No ma oh, just speak. No, no, just, just projecting the camera. Here is the microphone.
OK. So uh last spring SDM consulting, which is a
lobbying group, but also a contractor for homeless youth to provide a
lifeline and uh rent and grocery assistance,
uh embezzled money from the state to the tune of $330,000.
And the Department of Commerce continued to defend and defend and defend them just
the way they continue to defend the community action programs here and Bayside here,
even though they have been also exploited, homeless people for the sake
of government money and also using political action groups. Uh
Heather running or chair. Uh I I don't think that homeless
contractors and political activity belong together. I think that all the emphasis
on information gathering and not on housing inventory is, is criminal, uh
is exploitation. It's information gathering and giving that information to non governmental
agencies that have nothing to do with housing or trying to increase housing
inventory is just human trafficking. The non delivery of services which is what
happened with the homeless use and SDM case uh where they just took that money
and they God knows what with it instead of providing uh the services that were supposed
to go to homeless youth. Um And that's what's happening here, that's what's happening
all over the state. Uh It's exploitation of homeless people when we are blocked
from getting a shower and a toilet that has been paid for by the federal uh
you know, at the federal level. Um I assume the document fees are just paying for
the space down there. But when you do that and then uh homeless people have to go
uh traffic themselves at a hotel to get a shower.
Uh And, and this is just gonna increase because the affordable housing is not permanent
subsidized housing for elderly, disabled, mentally ill.
So uh it's, it's, it's gonna increase. We uh uh Jefferson County is number one famous
in in homeless uh uh uh in, in terms of their uh
per capita homeless population and that's compared to the rest of the population.
So, um thanks for all the exploitation. Thanks for the political uh
of lobbying with the contracting. Uh Thanks. She was the delivery of services,
Maggie. Ok. Um Let go to um some folks online should maybe with
some folks. Ok. How do you know where going? Ok. Thank you. If anyone online would
like to provide public comment, please hit the raise hand button at the bottom of
your screen the river and then Shelly,
I think, I think you're asking for me. This is Ed Bowen, West Jefferson County taxpayer.
My topic today is um Department of Natural Resource Trust Responsibility versus conservation
claim on the Trans Trust Land Transfer program. Our state's management of trust
lands for the fiduciary benefit of the citizens of each individual county is subject
to a high level of detail evaluation for any sales to be able to accomplish the state's
obligation of management. My question is to the county, does the use of conserving
these lands from fiduciary obligation require in this county's viewpoint, the same
level of detailed evaluation for conservation purposes
during the process specified in uh Substitute House Bill 1460. The Tru Trust Land
Transfer Advisory Committee has taken action to address 30 applications submitted
for consideration to the Board of Natural Resource and that committee appears to
be finalizing his duties. This week. My second question to the county is, has that
committee been an open and public process? Has the public been invited to at least
listen to the meetings while they're being held to date or the final meeting? This
fy 2025 cycle, I claim not then since Jefferson County is a party selected by the
agency, maybe the public lands Commissioner to be on this committee. Explain why
not. As Jefferson County even reached out to the potential affected communities,
the people of these communities to garner a full representative perspective for being
on this committee is all information available to Jefferson County. As a representative
on this committee also available to the taxpayers of Jefferson County. The ultimate
beneficiary of the trust land fiduciary aspect of these public lands. Will the board
of commissioners obligate itself to make such information available to the citizens
of the state in a timely manner, timely for the purpose of before the Board of Natural
Resource is likely tasked to address the committee's recommendations at its planned
September 4th meeting and the same citizens are limited to two minutes to address
the board of Natural Resource during it's likely only public comment period during
the meeting. Thank you. Thank you, Mister Bowen. You go to Shelly are now.
Good morning. This is Shelly Arnell and Brennan. Um I just would like to this morning,
um, ask about um, an update and I see that Commissioner Brotherton is going to have
a current tour of the Pleasant Harbor, uh, resort property this week. And so, um,
I'd like to really see if we can have a, um, expedient update
on the progress there. Uh, they had been promised demolition permits to take care
of some of the dangerous old things that are on the property. Uh, those permits still
have not been issued. Um, there is definitely some bottlenecks here that we need
to see, um, what the problem is and work towards getting it handled and I'm sure
that Commissioner Brotherton will look into that for us. Thank you.
Thank you, miss ya. Good morning mister Tar.
Uh, good morning commissioners. Um, couple of things, uh, on your consent agenda
this morning, you are, uh, giving $100,000 of public infrastructure money to the
E DC. Uh I continue to object to this because all of the meetings and the records
of the E DC are closed to the public public funding, but no public visibility as
to what's going on, that's simply wrong and it needs to be changed. Uh, the E DC
director lied to my face about this during a public meeting of the pud said, oh,
yeah, our meetings are open. You can come anytime you want. Simply not true. And,
uh, you know, this, it's, it's just very disturbing to me that this money continues
to be pumped into that organization year after year after year. Uh, I don't know
what you're gonna do about it except maybe stop funding people that hide their records
from the public. Uh, second topic completely different. I don't know during your
workshop, uh, this morning on electric vehicles, if you're gonna have any public
comments. So I'll make a couple of them. Now. Um, the analysis uh that was provided
in the, in the board packet was interesting. The, uh, the Chevy uh police vehicle
looks very like a very interesting, uh choice seems uh appropriate and uh price looks
decent. Although you might consider a, a Tesla model, why, which a lot of police
departments around the country have already adopted and uh have good experience with
as for the uh sedan that was used for comparison. That one, I have a problem with
choosing one of the least well known and certainly minimally capable vehicles. A
Nissan Leaf s with 212 miles of range. I'm sorry, that's, that's simply impractical.
Uh How about for the same price, I'm sorry, 8% more. You can buy a Tesla Model three
with 272 miles. In other words, 28% more range for 8% more money. I, I think we can
do better than a Nissan which is likely not going to be in business. Um Also, I think
the the annualized costs of of maintenance are first of all overstated for an electric
vehicle. Uh You all know that the only thing you have to do to your EV is replace
the windshield wiper fluid and the wipers, that's about it. Uh uh And the annual
cost is certainly understated for the traditional internal combustion engine vehicle.
Uh You know, you've got a lot more than uh maintenance, certainly over a period of
10 years for, for any kind of internal combustion engine vehicle, even a simple one
like like a Nissan Leaf um or versa. Sorry, that was the comparison. So I think you
can do better in terms of your comparisons. I think uh you need to do, take a closer
look at the actual cost of doing, of maintaining and operating these vehicles. Um
Oh, the other thing I wanted to note about the, the proposed uh or comparison for
the police vehicle is that using a five year lifespan only 100,000 miles, that's
uh way too conservative. I'm sorry, electric vehicles don't wear out in 100,000 miles
even when they're being used for police purposes. Um You know, I think a Tesla Model
y 100 and 55 miles an hour top end will do just, just fine for, for a police pursuit.
Anyway, those are a few comments and I'd be interested to, to listen to the discussion.
Thank you. Thank you, Mister T. All right. Is there anyone else online who would
like to provide comment?
Ok. Well, let's go to the room where we've had some very patient um, familiar faces
and I suspect we're gonna hear some comments on the jump playground. So we'd like
to comment Sarah,
I
think.
Well, we wanted to thank the board for their support over the past going on eight
years now. And also the date for um first RCO phase one gave half a
million dollars and we just were awarded uh 515 $565,000 from the
Washington Developmental Disabilities. Um And specifically it was,
and, and this will help fill phase two, which includes the structure for the little
kids. And as a physical therapist, we have two physical therapists on our board um
working with kids under the age of three who are maybe beginning walkers or not Walkers
because it's gonna be such a great addition to the play. Yeah. So we just want to,
this is going to the county 515 million and
all right, can I have everyone look at the, the phone here for a second. I'm gonna
count to three and then I'm gonna take the photo. Ok, 123 and I'm gonna move a little
closer to 12.
And I think Judah and Orange was about this size
and in case anyone hasn't seen the books. Phase two is gonna be this section and
a new Arc Gate octopus by Goer and we're gonna have shade over here here and the
new area. Awesome. Yeah,
congratulations.
Then we have more merry go round.
All right, last call. For public comments online or in the room. And
he was all right. I will gonna do another shout out after uh we do some initial responses
uh wher responses. Uh You wanna start with science? No, no, after you.
Well, we were called out. He,
well, we all, I mean, I, I can start with the one I'm most involved in and that's
the trust and transfer program. Um We have completed hearing presentations on 30
projects. Um And, you know, in the process of redesigning the trust land transfer
program, we looked to the recreation and conservation offices, Washington, wildlife
and Recreation program is a model for having a more robust um project consideration
process. And all of the application materials for the 30 projects are online uh at
DNRS website as well as recordings of all of the presentations made by a applicants
to the program. Um I'm not sure, I, I think that gets at what Mr Bowen was
commenting on, but I'm sure he'll correct me that I'm wrong um that about meetings
or the meetings of the meetings. I don't think the meetings are. Well, they are,
that's what the recordings are that I think that is the presentations that are the,
the meetings of the CLT work crew. I think those are the meeting. Oh, the the applicant
presentations, right? Not the, well, that's all those meetings are, right. Uh is
just a series of applicant presentations. So, I mean, the most recent meetings. So
um we're trying to make a much more robust, transparent process. And, you know, I,
I think um one of the issues I hear about frequently re relative to the trust and
transfer program is that we're taking um lands out of the productive timber base.
But I've really drilled into that in, in the case of the, the day ba ba natural expansion.
And we know that 50 to 60% of the lands in the current proposed expansion area would
not be harvest under DNRS current management programs. So, um we're hoping that we'll
actually yield more revenue for the junior taxing districts around pine um because
we'll buy replacement lands that will be more productive and that's the intent uh
of DNR with this program. So, um I don't know how more specific I can be ed if you
wanna talk on the phone, I'm happy to give me a call. I'm sure you're still listening.
Um But, and I think his question was ha have we done analysis? And, you know, I feel
like we have, you know, started with the, the report that Peter Bales did a number
of years ago. Then Mallory has done a lot of ground truth things for the selection
of the four projects that we put forward. And we, we actually, with those projects,
had extensive consultation with DNR as to what they would be, what would the, what
they would like to see us propose and we specifically said we will avoid projects
south of highway 104. And um there's a lot of priority projects as we know because
we have four applications in the community um consideration list that the forests
north of 104 are drier and slower growing. And if there are old, older forests in
that area, they are truly special and would take, would be almost impossible to replace.
And I'm, I think when I think about this, I think about the whimper last wilderness
specifically. I imagine myself there and think how long this forest has taken to
be what it is. Um So, yeah, I feel like we've done a lot of collaboration,
communication, outreach, changing our plans. Um and learned a lot from our colleagues
at DNR over the course of the last couple of years coming up with these four projects
that we're proposing for Jefferson County. Yeah. Um
Curious to hear Greg's update on how things are going at the shelter and relative
to Maggie's comment about showers and toilets. I take those things for granted in
my life and it's not lost on me when you comment on it, but that's a luxury for me.
Um
Yeah. And the other thing from Shelley was specific to you Greg, uh the Piff money
to E DC. That was uh something we did um in the last two years and um the pit
board last week voted to continue that increased level of funding to the E DC. Um
And it feels like the right thing to do because they're really kind of building back
and we've only funded them for two years. And it's, if you find someone for two years
and take the money away, then that kind of defeats the purpose of rebuilding. So
I I'm supportive of continuing that investment and that motion came from one of our
port partners. So, um the most outspoken critics initially of, of the kind of reform
that you see really with. So, um, yeah, I think that's it. And I also statute
specifically says that those funds can be used
to build. I think we've said that a few times. I I'm glad you said it again and that
motion came after a virtual report from, from Cindy and Mark. Um And I think the
sentiment universally around the table is the E DC is moving the ball. Yeah, I thought
the conversation last week was really good about the agency. So from all, from all
of our government partners who are on the board, no ne negativity at all, which is
quite a change. And I like Mr Tierce, I'm very interested in the conversation about
electric vehicles today. So I think these are my responses. All right, I can, I can
go next. Um, always appreciate Mr Bowen's uh inquiries and, uh, um, of course, Commissioner
Eisenhower is flown much closer to the process itself, but, you know, as both Kate
and Heidi have talked about. There's been a lot of like the app applications that,
that we put forward. There's a lot of rigorous research behind it. And we've really
been looking at, you know, maximizing all the values, you know, it's definitely kind
of a triple bottom line approach, but it really is taking lands that are, have a
high conservation value, low uh value as, as timber and, and swap, swapping those
out. That's the whole, the whole intention. And I think it's been really effective
for our county so far, it's a tool that we've taken advantage of. And I think have
had a lot of uh not just ecosystem benefits but also um keeping those trust alive
in, in, in areas where they'd be really encumbered. So, yeah, and I also say the
other trust that a number of the other applications that we've heard about are um
remnant in holdings. I mean, they're the, they're the kind of, they are the kind
of projects that should be transferred out of DNRS, productive timber base and into
another status. And, you know, sometimes I'm sitting in those and I'm like, this
is exactly why we're doing this program. So those kinds of projects and then also,
you know, in terms of there's been a number of projects that have been brought directly
to the committee by tribes. Um So there, it's been a really good, I feel like this
round of trust and transfer projects has been a really good illustration of why the
program is an effective tool for DNR. That's great. Um uh Onward
to Maggie, I always appreciate uh your, your input as well. Maggie. Um And we certainly
are not trying to exploit anyone rather, um, kind of raise the floor of, of uh
accessibility. Um I will, I don't think there was a specific question in, in Matthew's
comments but, um, just to, I guess, speak to the power of, of Maggie's voice, we
did have meetings at the Shelter Coalition and, and kind of a programming meeting
before that with uh Bayside and they're removing that additional element of the ro
I the release of information that turned it from a voluntary. These are services
I'd like to engage in. I'd like you to contact this person, this agency, this agency.
Remember if you recall that the uh dispute was over adding a mandate to um be able
to let the American legion know if uh if there's someone who is uh exited dis with
disruptively basically. And just to kind of give him a heads up that something might
be coming and instead the plan that they're pursuing and I know they still had more
legal review would be to remove that from the ro I return it to the completely voluntary
thing it was before. Um allow people to take copies of it. I, I believe as well that
there was gonna be more legal review from Bayside and then if there was someone disruptive
to, uh, let the American legion know that, you know, not that someone was exited
but that someone is, um, uh, left their feeling there was in a disruptive state.
So not identify, is it a resident? Is it a staff member? Is it a friend of the resident?
So, do not identify the, uh, the class of the person. But let's let, let the, uh,
the landlords know if there is disruption. Um So, and I think that is uh because
of Maggie's, you know, um advocacy that that change happen. So it gonna appreciate
her uh bringing, bringing topics up to Miss Yarnell. Um you know, we really try to
avoid politicizing um uh you know, planning and building and the permit process and
everything. I am going out there to, to check it out with John this Wednesday at
his request and uh have had a couple conversations with our consultants and with
D CD as well. Um I don't want to speak. I mean, in the same way I'm about as connected
to it as Shelley is, which is, I am not one of the parties, but it is a um you know,
it's 1000 page agreement that's a challenging document to uh to do all the right
things. And I, I mean, I would not, I, I won't speak here to, you know, I think every,
every, every organization that's involved at some slows it down as they try to figure
out what to do both the applicant and, and D CD. And the, and I think what people
often fail to recognize is that there is more and more support for this project,
but there is also an active and uh historically litigious components to this project
as well. So as S CJ and the county try to uh get the job done and the county is,
you know, supports any applicant with a legitimate application. This is a big complicated
one. But, but they have to really hew close to the line to make sure that, you know,
uh they don't, they, they aren't seen to be so permissive that it opens to challenge.
So it's, it's a real fine line, a challenging line that they're doing. I think specifically
about the, uh, the gravel grating up by the road. It is, you know, my understanding
was that they had not the applicant and not wanted to deal with that situation until
they did the, uh, intersection improvements and the roadwork later down in the project
and never been asked to do. Now that in fact D CD heard about this request through
the public comment that came to us too was like the first time they heard of the
desire, but that they are because it's, it's, you know, it's not gonna happen anytime
soon as part of the N pr they pushed it out of, you know, S CJ working on it as part
of the N Pr and Greg Ballard is a planning uh administrator is looking at it and
determining whether a separate uh um permit is needed or whether it's uh regular
maintenance. So, um that just has been uh siloed away from the rest of the agreement
and uh I look forward to learning more. Um I think, yeah, I mean, the county is absolutely
motivated to move this forward, but just to make sure that it moves forward appropriately
legally, you know, within the realms of state and local law and as well as the agreements
that very, very complicated development agreement uh to Mr Cheers, I, I
think, uh Kate and Heidi have talked to the E DC, you know, specifically call out
an RCW that it's an allowable use of, of P funds and, you know, um uh I'm
on the E DC board now. Uh I those general meetings I'll bring up again. I don't know
why we don't, I mean, we're not dealing with uh specific information. So, I mean,
but it's good that we're funding E DC. I fully support it. Um I think opening up
the board meetings to the public is something that, that I'm happy to take back to,
to Cindy and have that conversation with the board too because I don't know, I don't
really know why. Yeah. Um And appreciate his insight and analysis on the
EV uh workshop that we're gonna be having at 1015. Um I'm looking forward to it as
well. I never heard about that. Nissan car. Nissan Leaf. No, the other one there
was, uh, it's in the analysis. Yeah. Yeah, I was just like, oh, the versa. Yeah.
Yeah. Little hatchback.
Um, I don't think we have a lot of verses in our fleet. No.
No. So that's a little interesting that even the I ce, you know, like the, the, the
pursued vehicle was cars we actually buy and this versa analysis was not, it seems
like cars that I've, I've at least, you know, there's a couple little hybrid uh uh
you know, um I don't know, maybe there's some, maybe it's just comparable. Um And
on the, the state list for sure, but look forward to the conversation, I think something
that, you know, was not an analysis as our climate goals and that, you know, there's
like, again the same way as TLT, there's a kind of a triple bottom line that we're,
we're moving to and you are not gonna like when we try to bend the line away from
internal combustion engines, gotta recognize that the life life life cycle at least
10 years, we have more information from, from the subject matter expert. 10 to 12
years, I guess they said it was 10 years useful life. So we, we're talking about
uh anytime we don't do it, we're kicking that can 10 year, 10 years down the line.
So, um I think, well, and I, I also, I think I said this last week, I mean, I think
we have the capacity as a county to show leadership on this issue, capacity and the
values, right. And if we do, then we'll kind of lead the way on it. So I feel like
we're sitting on our hands, sitting on our hands a little bit. I don't think you're
gonna be able to talk to the sheriff's office, uh, at a Chevy though there and then,
and then, uh Yeah. Right. Uh Yeah, I'm not sure we want to give them bolt for pursuit
vehicles either. But,
yeah. Um, ok. Well, I look for, to the workshop. We don't need to, to dig into that.
Now, I think that, oh, and of course, to all the, the kids and supporters and the
people that make the magic at the, the jump playground is super. I mean, it, what
a, just a win win. So love it. And it's like when we have people come out, uh, it's
accessible to all you like the, the merry go round. I've got a great picture of Kate
on the giant swing.
I'm just waiting for the right opportunity. I've been, I've only got a couple of
months left to be able to swing it out, but just wait for one of my final presentations.
The child like Glee. Oh, Paul Rogers was reminding me he'd given you an accordion.
Oh, yeah. Oh. Right. Right. Yeah, I
I think I, I've played the accordion before but I haven't played Paul's. His is a
little bigger. It takes a little bit, uh, gotta really it around. It's like nice.
Um, and that's, that's my response. All right. Um, I'll just add a couple of things.
Interesting. Maggie. Um, um, I've been involved in a couple of audits
interviews recently. So anytime we get state funding, uh, you know, our, our entities
get audited annually at least and um they're painstaking the, the audit process.
Um and also in um negotiation on funding for our new childcare center to get
federal funding, the requirements are so demanding and stringent. Um And so
it's, I'm always like amazed that people figure out how to game the system because
it is. So, you know, the oversight is, is really, I think it feels cumbersome to
many of us who are dealing with state and federal funding and yet it happens and,
um, and, and from my point of view say that we're not gonna vote for gatekeeping.
So, complaints. Yeah, we're not gonna do a back and forth, but I, I um
yeah, it, it's, it's very frustrating. Um And, you know, I see why the system is
as stringent as it is and at the same time, these abuses do happen. And um, so, um
thank you for your c work as Bisher Brotherton said. Um uh So Mr Tier should covered
a lot of that. You just wanna, you know, as a reminder that there are, the E DC does
deal with a number of uh private businesses, intellectual property. And, you know,
that is one of the challenges is trying to maintain the integrity of confidentiality.
Um And so making, uh having there be some documents that are confidential, some meetings
that are confidential and some that aren't, has, has been a challenge for many years.
And um so we'll, we'll let the, our representative on that board continue to find
the right balance there. Um Very much looking forward to the EV discussion uh at
1015 and um just huge thanks to the jump crew who continue to be um
stellar examples of how to work with county to get, you know, important projects
done. And they have brought in an enormous amount of funding. They, they couldn't
do it without us. We couldn't do it without them. And um it's, I can't believe it's
been almost eight years that we've been in these conversations, but you know, we
have a new playground to show for it in a phase two coming. And um so thank you to
to the the board and families involved there. Mhm. Um Mark anything you wanna
ask? No, looking forward to the ev discussion as well. All right, I'll go ahead and
um close public comments since we're running a little bit behind. So we have a consent
agenda before us. Um Greg we're interested in pulling number 14. Yeah, we're just
not sure. And this morning, we were unable, someone notified us that we maybe had
the wrong date in there. That would be the, you know, of course, we're appointing
Ron to complete, uh Gary Rig Myer's uncompleted, uh, um, the service and we just
got to find the exact date. So I don't, they don't have another meeting for another,
another couple weeks. They had it on August 8th. I did have the opportunity to sit
down. Ron came up and talked with me. He's got actually a career in fleet at public
agencies. And so he really brings a lot of expertise about, you know, the cost of
deferred maintenance and, and really the uh the right uh I think the right work experience
to uh contribute to this as a, as a member of the community. So I'm excited to appoint
him, but we just need to wait for a week or so right now. Just a couple of things.
The uh sorry about the special, special meeting here, our hearing for the drainage
district, Jim and Drainage district. We are doing a lot of work right now on that
between the civil deputy prosecuting attorney's office and our consultants and we
are just not going to be done in time this year to take action before the September
1st deadline. So we need to just consider what, what we wanna do. Um So sorry about
that and um really glad to see the ODT Amazon like
connection project on here. It's super exciting. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I did get clarification
on those funds. I, I ran into Monty and Friday night and Thursday night, maybe after
we talked about it. Um, it is the, the funds that we share with other
um governmental entities, we kind of take turns city transit county and this is three
years of those funds from, was that um that are the 1.5 million? So yeah, I was,
I was confused. I was thinking, where did I from? From Wash dot And so I had to go,
Monte reminded me, I had to go way back to that allocation. We made a few years ago
for three years and the amount increased, it was about 400,000 previously per year
and now it's about 500,000. So that adds up to a million and a half. Awesome. Yeah.
Yeah, I'd like to call out number six collective bargaining agreement with the FOP
or um corrections officers. And our hope is that um that agreement will improve compensation
and recruitment and retention. So super happy to have that on today's agenda. That's
agreement number four, which leaves three units yet to go. We're gonna talk about
one of those units later in session. I thought it was great and it was, it was a
challenge to see it, but it is, it is up there. I encourage people you might have
to go through laser fee to get to it. But I, I didn't, actually, I wasn't able to
get to it through the related docs either. I don't know, it aired out for me too.
But, um, if you, again, that's why we're migrating everyone to try to use our calendar
feature. Yeah. Um, but yeah, great news and, you know, great to see a hiring incentive.
Meaning someone, you know, they actually hired someone for corrections too. You know,
I know that they've been really short staffed for a long time. So that, that's great
news too. Um, I have a question, I guess maybe Mark, you know, I, um, item number
one, I'm curious if we know where the, the, what the match fund is for that. It says
NFPP grant funds 15%. Does anyone know what that program is? National? This
A FTP NF? Hm.
It didn't say it. It's not a, um, program I'm familiar with. I just like to have
heard of it before and I know the Fisher, the move Board. Um, ok. I can, I can ask
once a year. Someone from public works. I just like to know the public sources. National
Fish Fish Passage Program. Ok. NFPP is open to all entities including monopoly. Yeah,
it's, that's what it is. It's a US Fish and Wildlife, Us Fish and Wildlife Service
program. Thank you. Um, and just looking at the, um, MRC
appointments, um, great to see Ala Ben Feld being appointed I've known her since
the, literally the day she was born. Yeah. That's our first youth, our youth seat
for the first time. Oh, good. Yeah, we created that seat and now we're filling it
and her father also sits on the MRC. Oh, nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're, they're
a powerful crew. So, yeah, to see that. Great to see Johnny or, I mean, Brenda is
stepping up for another term and sad to see Johnny go. She's been fun to collaborate
with on, on MRC. So we'll have to big shoes to fill there. We have a good alternate
in the, in that uh district three state. Who's the alternate r uh Chris, sorry,
nearly newly appointed.
I'll find it right while you're looking that up just when I call out, we are issuing
a request for proposals for the public Infrastructure fund. So great that, that keeps
getting um topped up with sales tax, the $600,000 available to public entities that
create jobs via infrastructure. So I hope we get some good applicants for that. Yeah.
Are you gonna go in? You had a P meeting last week, right? Are you gonna go into
that more, more detail? Tim Cross, Tim cross. Great. Yeah. All right.
Um So I'm happy to move that we uh minus item 14 which we should pull for the
week uh that we uh approve and adopt the consent agenda other than item 14 as presented.
I second any further discussion. All those in favor say II I the
second agenda is pro thanks. All right, we have about a half hour for briefing which
we have not had time for a little while for brief, briefing, brief briefing. Yes,
see,
shall I go first? Sure. We're just doing one week, right? Yeah, it was one week.
Let's see. Last week with you guys on Monday then had our uh we're doing an extra
board maybe meetings for the North Hood Canal Chamber of Commerce. So stayed around
and get on that by Zoom. We have our, our, our new employee, Sherri Sanner has, has
come on and she's doing, she's doing great work, already hit the ground running.
And uh yeah, all is going well on Tuesday. As I previously discussed a little bit,
we had a shelter management meeting, Judy Shepherd had actually asked that we get
together with the county and Bayside and, and uh um the American Legion and uh and
also Pastor Jackson from New Life Church as they get the food go going basically
um for regular operational meetings just to make sure we're not missing anything
that we were kind of caught flatfooted with some of our responsibilities after, you
know, we went from negotiating to actual implementation of this, of this new role.
Um And we had basically, we just met with Bayside at the first time and, and talked
about that ro I and, and uh heard that plan and then that's mostly what we talked
about with the, the shelter meeting as well, shelter Coalition meeting. Um But I
think that's, that's going well. So we'll continue to have that cadence of the management
meeting with appropriate folks um in a smaller group right before the shelter coalition
meeting. Um I had lunch with the Planning Commission and Growth Management steering
committee meeting member in Tuesday and will say it was good and productive. Talked
about lots of South County issues. Um We had of course our brief uh Bocc meeting
but the trust land transfer and then uh empower Teens Coalition, we chose some programs
for the coming year. You know, you have to choose a couple of their uh programs off
the sleet. Um Some of them were really unappealing but uh I think we saw it because
we have a new empowered teens uh coordinator. So I think they, they showed us all
of the different options instead of the ones that were more uh aligned with our values
and everything like the Aggressive Kid program and everything, which is like, that
seems like it's stigmatizing kids, but, but we chose two of them. Um On Wednesday,
I joined the it and directors meeting with Mikey and a couple of the other folks
from it really, really helpful and I'm, I'm really glad that they've started those
up again. It's really, it's, it's just the, you could just see the ease and, and
having that that con that, that dialogue open and, and flowing and understand more
what's coming from, from it. You know, we've got a little high centered on product
management right now and we have, you know, users inside the uh the uh the county
as well as external users high centered on product management. I think I'm just focused
on it as, as an output that we need to focus on. Like we're, I'm gonna join into
the uh um upgrading of our website process and everything. And then you so, you know,
like if, if we were a private company, we would spend a lot on making sure that when
the product left it, it was being interfaced appropriately with our users. And often
I think in government, we have these mandates for grant funds to come through and
that project management ends up being what we work on. And then, you know, we've
fulfilled our mandate to do whatever, you know, grant uh criteria we need to meet,
but rarely or do we have to um I think we can do a better job as, as a, as a county,
figuring out those and like EPL online, being able to pull permits online. That kind
of uh output I think is, is really great. I see us making great strides on it. Um
They're gonna be our UXYT.
I did see um Shari Milan last week and she said it would be a good time to do another
update. There's been a lot of progress and yeah, no, I would love to hear. Uh And
then I was not able to, it went long. I did not go to the incident command meeting.
And then I, as previously mentioned, met Ron Mountain who's uh we tried to appoint
but aren't sure of the date exactly. To the Port Ludlow Drainage District had a good
meeting with him. Um Met with Diane mcdade as we're getting the findings and recommendations
from the, the task force together. Um struggling to get things scheduled right now,
but trying to get to the steering committee in the last couple weeks of August, there's
some surgeries and vacations in the task force too that we were trying to work around
and then hoping for a uh joint city county meeting probably at their one of their
Monday evening workshops like September 16th or September 23 kind of looking,
looking in September before kind of the budget stuff hits the city council and us
too. So hopefully we can uh make extra time we were planning on going out there.
I think we have more flexibility to do a special meeting on their schedule than vice
versa. Uh And then had some coffee with Shelley Levins who runs the
city's L tech program. Um Half of her salary is paid for from the L tech program
um Right. They've taken the approach of not having MD mo direct marketing organization,
right. And are investing they are their own destination marketing. Right. Yeah. And
I don't know, I like being able to align, uh, you know, counting strategy with, uh,
with our, our marketing strategy. So it is pretty compelling. Yeah. Um, and, you
know, I've, as I hurriedly did all the staffing, I mean, you know, ad L clerks, uh
LT A but we don't actually have staff to do anything. So I, I felt like you took
it back because I'm like, I can't, it's uh so, yeah, um II I kind of bemoaned as
we went through it, we were gonna try to work on a uh um you know, we like the idea
of uh San Juan County. I think I shared with you of a destination uh marketing plan
basically, you know, a, a strategic plan. So they have two responsibilities and their
code for the San Juan's LT A. One is to do the RP, which is ours and the other is
to update on an annual um cycle there. There, we just like, you know, make sure it's
still appropriate. They don't rewrite it every year. Like the one that we from 2021
was pretty much unchanged as far as I could tell. But they come up with a strategy
plan that has mission and, and goals, 10 goals that they want to achieve. And um
we did just put a lot of time into the Olympic Peninsula, you know, strategic plan.
Yeah. Yeah. Um I am going out next week to uh go and look at the PB big sign they
put there to see if it's something we can't uh integrate into uh to the roundabout
uh coming off the bridge. There's, and there's also that DNR parcel up to the right
as you come off the bridge. That would might be good. Anyway, so that was a good
conversation. Um I tried to log into the Port Lauder Drainage District meeting, but
I failed to get into the meeting somehow. Um And then uh Congressman Kilmer Kilmer
is having his goodbye tour and I went out to that. It's great, uh great lunchtime
meeting and then uh they ordered so much food. Uh and Kate's a good idea, we should
get this over to the American Legion shelter. So we uh shuttled over, I think 10
chafing dishes worth of the banana leaf tie, like full chafing dish. That was the
other event that day um over to uh the American Legion so they could uh um benefit
from it. Then we had the uh the BHC Behavioral Health Consortium meeting and great
to see a consent agenda to support from BHBH AC for developing the website. So they're
kind of working out governance rules and all that and it's, it's going along well,
Friday, we had that LT A meeting. Um We heard from a couple more program recipients,
uh grant recipients, uh Peninsula Trails and um now I'm sleeping on the
really important. Um
And now the more I think about it, the more I won't uh remember but can open it up.
Um And so they want to not let them. Oh, yeah, the Northwest Maritime Center,
wooden boat, wooden boat center. Uh So they, they shared the marketing uh additions
that they were able to get with. Uh um L A funds represents about 30% of their marketing
budget. Um for wooden boat just uh from that $10,000 grant um then went out to eat
his hook to celebrate the, the recompete grant win. Uh So uh Ker was there again,
we had a contingent from uh Brennan come up and we had uh yeah, it was, it was great.
I made a top gun uh um reference. My uh speech was the color commentary. Commissioner
of French. Thanked everyone. I wanted to introduce uh Kilmer, but they wouldn't let
me introduce him. I think last time I introduced him, I said one of our most productive
agencies is how I introduced him. He's like, oh, I never been called an agency before.
So, um but it was good, great events, good turnout. Uh just really exciting to get
going. And uh you know, I mean, my, my metaphor is pretty much, we all have to be
each other's wing mens as we start the real work now. So there's a lot of implementation
work to do E DC is gonna get some including a South county business rep. Um So I
will more soon on recompete the uh the work continues and that was my week.
Um ok, so after being with you guys on Monday, um
uh I met with a constituent on Tuesday morning just to talk about emergency management
and she's super fired up to get involved. So, trying to figure out how to get her,
get her more involved with our emergency management functions here at the county.
Well, she knows about that, but she's, yeah, taking on the F MA trainings and should
announce change of location or it's gonna be the fairground. Yeah. No day care out
just last week. I don't know. Yeah, it was double booked or? Yeah, interesting. I
saw that I was like, what happened? Um ok, so let's see. Then in the afternoon on
Tuesday had a um community foundation meeting regarding um a grant grant program,
our grant funding that we gave to the creative entrepreneurship network and just
talking about how, how that funding was deployed and future collaboration with the
E DC around that network. So good conversation. Um We had our Bocc meeting regarding
our trust, land transfer applications and the point of Treaty Council and I'm super
grateful for our chair, Commissioner Dean for digging in an or in on that work. That
was, well, I'm so curious to hear what happened on Friday. Did like it, did it get
announced? Did it get uh while it got forwarded to all of the ranking committee and
the rankings were due on Friday. We have a meeting this week to discuss them. They
haven't been scored yet. So we've all individually scored fated. Do you think that
it would um change the scoring? But it should on that tribal consultation?
Because that, that's a distinct scoring category on a powerful one. But, you know,
I don't know if people were really paying that close of attention. So um so late
breaking information like that. So we'll find out. Ok. Yeah. Um then
MRC meeting Tuesday evening um and we already talked about that a little bit but
super exciting to have our youth seat filled um meeting with a constituent Wednesday
morning who has some code compliance concerns adjacent to his property. And, you
know, I've been hearing more and more of these and it's just, it's hard when we,
when there's like 100 active code compliance cases and you know, not enough capacity
to address them all. So I don't feel like it can give people a lot of hope that their
issue is gonna rise to the top. But I do, I do tell people to file those forms when
they have an issue. Then we had our P board meeting and we um voted to
quote an RFP for $600,000. That's the amount that we um estimated that we have to
give. We have a lot of uh funding that's kind of tied up for the projects that we've
already approved in the past. So the balance is pretty high, but we only have about
600,000 for um this current R pr and I actually asked the question, should we hold
it and float a bigger one next year? But other P board members were like, no, let's
get it out there. So can I ask one question about that? Yeah, I did not make it to
that meeting, but we had applied for money that we're not quite ready to use for
about the the Glen Cove development, designing that infrastructure is that naturally
roll over for a year if we're slow in using it? Should I come to the meeting to apply?
Say, oh, we have the consultants in place now we're, we're getting, we're on the
track to use it this year. I mean, I, I don't know our spreadsheet mark. Do you remember
the goes for 250? I don't recall whether we executed a contract on that, but it was
on the, the the park funds list. So
I mean, the would be to walk it forward in the budget. The quill scene street complete
project has been there as long as Eric Kman has been with the county. So it's, it's
just waiting be spent right away that I wasn't sure. And are you planning to do,
I know at some point we talked about doing like the annual or bi annual update on
all the projects to just to get a status report. We've done that before and we will
do that again. Um When we need to consider the proposals that we've collected under
the RFP, uh The second part of that meeting will be a report on all the projects
that have been funded that are still in your queue. There is a contract with Glen
Cove and the um the grant begins in 2024 and shall be completed no later than December
31st, 2025. So there is a little bit of time. Ok. Ok, thank you. Um, then I had
my neighbors are all interested because we all have pink steaks, pink sewer sewer
steaks in front of our properties. And I was getting a lot of questions. So I asked
Sam to come out and meet with some of my neighbors and it got exciting on the end
of Curtis Street on Wednesday, but I think our team got it under control. Um, just
a lot of, you know, we're a little dead end street and there's just a lot of pink
steaks down there right now. So I'm excited. People are like, what's going on? I'm
like the sewer is coming. We've known this for years, but I don't want mine to go
there and like it's just, it's just marking your lot. So anyway, um, then in the
afternoon on the seventh, I did all my TLT rankings, um, once all those presentations
were completed Thursday morning. It was exciting. This is a personal report but I
had a, a bus come from the Bainbridge Island Museum of Art down down Curtis Street
with all these mistakes. But it was a massive bus. I'm like, he's not gonna be able
to get it turn around. The guy was amazing. Yeah. No, it was like a Greyhound size
box. I was like of what, uh Bainbridge Island Museum of Arts, like members know that
they were doing, they were doing a tour of studios on the peninsula. I, I show part
of that show is great. Yeah, I've been in the show. They went to five studios, I
think that day. But it was, it was fun. So I missed the Kilmore event, but I knew
about this studio visit and I had to be there and support. So then after that, we
had Mark and I had our monthly meeting with Chickadee and Timber doodle Forestry.
And um we're talking about how to get the word out about the work we've been doing
with Mallory and actually create a web page. So when he talked about the web website
earlier, I was like, yeah, we need, we just need a page, communications stuff. Yeah.
Then the clean water district meeting in the afternoon. Um And then Fri Friday, I
went to the county fair in the morning, met with the uh phase one sewer boundary,
property owner in the afternoon with Josh Peters. Went to the, um, celebration for
Bob Wheeler, uh, in the evening he's retiring, which is sad to see him go from the
sewer team. But it was a great, um, celebration. I wish I could be. I'm just gonna
have to start golfing. I'll, I'll see him that way. Yeah, Steve there. And so was
cut. He's like, how do I get one of those hats? He's on Monty's hat. Mon, he's like,
I've got one in the car. Um, and then, uh, and then Saturday and Sunday I spent
much of the day at the Jefferson County fair in various booths. And then with the
Democrats and I, I'd say it was a really great fair. Turn out good, good, great turnout.
And ig that on the parking lot, the parking teams were all saying, oh my God, this
is more cars than we've ever had to park in here. So, um, people, some people were
saying, well, there's, there's empty spaces in like the commercial buildings and
then, like, there's a lot of people here and the zucchini and cabbage were big. So
it was a successful fair and the draft horses were on the
horse anyway. A little bit. And the chickens, all the varieties of chickens. I'm
always like, I'm gonna get a frizzle anyway. That's, that's my report from last week.
Oh, and holy. Holy chicken. That food at the fair this year. Ok. I see. Um, let's
see. Um I was sick most of last week. So number of virtual meetings obviously with
you on Monday. Um I was really glad that we got our government, government consultation
with a Point Treaty Council and um the sucker just did an enormous amount of work
to get that across the finish line. I think he still is working on it. I got an email
at like 6 a.m. on Sunday morning. Um So working for Jefferson County, but he really
showing the way for the rest of the entities that will uh seek that funding in the
future. I mean, it's, it's a new, new design of the program. It's, it's really great
work. Yeah. So in your discussions on Friday with the trust by transfer, folks did
other counties end up having opposition from tribes. They didn't have letters of
opposition but they, some of them didn't do tribal consultation. They relied on previous
support for projects, some of it 10 years old. So, um I think what DNR needs to do
is be a lot more specific about what that tribal consultation piece looks like. Yeah.
And uh they're already saying that the work that we did as a county is a model for
how things should be done, just recommend others do it a few months earlier. So not
quite down the line so much as we were. Um um Wednesday, I was in the State Board
of Health meeting all day virtually. Um I do not miss all day Zoom meetings. Oh
my gosh, it was also being sick. Was not fun. But, um, couple just a couple of things,
um, that we have a Brennan resident who had been, you know, working with the Board
of Health asking for allowance of holding for. Um, she petitioned the State Board
of Health to consider doing rule writing to change the state rule and the Board of
Health denied it. Um, so not allowing holding tanks, um or counties, as we know,
Mason County does allow um a waiver for those holding tanks. And so there's some
interpretation at the local level that is allowed, but the State Board of Health
decided to not explicitly allow holding tanks for residential due to concerns about
um uh what we're feeling. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, unknown capacity for being able
to pump it, you know, we allow it. Is there somebody that's, you know, qualified
and available to be maintaining it? Um So I did my septic uh evaluation this week,
I got the expensive stick, you know, the, the hollow stick they used have used that
I have my own, I own my own sewer stick. Now it's good. I did not need to empty mine
but it's four inches of scum, four inches of sludge. Ok, perfect. Yeah. Um
we also spend a fair amount of time at the State Board of Health talking about um
uh pools, interestingly, public pools. Um There's all these new toys that are available
for public pools, climbing walls and ninja uh ropes and uh
kind of like obstacle courses that have not actually been rated for safety in depth.
And so there was a climbing wall at the Boise. Uh um Y and they weren't let anyone
use it actually because uh they were concerned about people falling because like
the fall like, yeah, they were just, they don't have the data. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So
the water, yeah, because there are certain depths required for diving board, say
um and uh but the engineering has not really been done for some of these. And so
gonna do a deep dive to get into all of that using that time was that used with the
health. But II I will definitely use it.
Uh The other primary top of bo of health was uh this on going um newborn screening.
So as technology improves and as you know, kind of our understanding of biomed uh
increases that they are all of these genetic conditions that can now be detected
at birth. So one drop of a newborn heel, um they already are, you know, testing for
30 some conditions and we are getting petitioned the board of health to consider
like five or 10 new ones every year. Um It was just one drop of blood though. Right.
Exactly.
How much they could do with that. Each one adds, you know, about a dollar per baby,
which is, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars a year for the state for each,
each test that some of them require different technologies. Um But it's always compelling
to hear you have a number of families join us who say, you know, if they caught this
sooner for my child, it would have avoided a lot of medical intervention. And many
of them are um just simply needing to supplement with the, um you know, perhaps an
enzyme that the body doesn't produce. And so it's, it's interesting to do the, the
ultimate preventative. Uh Yes. Yes. Yeah. Um
Thursday, I was not able to attend the short term rental webinar. It's funny there
were Josh and I both received three different um communications and all of them had
a different time for the event. So it happened to be at the same time as our board
of Health agenda Planning meeting. Um Not to do that, went to the reception with
uh Congressman Kilmer. Um And I do think we need to plan some sort of farewell for
him, uh maybe with other public partners. So I'll, I'll take that out if there's
general consensus. Um The gender review with Mark um
Friday had our entrance interview for the uh state audit. Um uh did the
radio show with Doctor Berry. It was nice. We talked a little bit, you know, I said
you came on during the pandemic. There wasn't, you know, kind of a public process
around that. So, like, let's get to know Doctor Berry a little bit better. That was
nice. A little more, a little more personal here hearing about her background and
going into medicine and specifically into public health. Um then great celebration
for Bob Wheeler that evening. Um Also spent a fair amount of time at the county fair
this weekend and great turnout. I'll be really curious to see the numbers. We also
increased the entrance to the fair cost and so revenue should be higher. Yeah. Um,
but everybody was feeling on the fair board was feeling really good about attendance
and that the fewer crises that came up this year than the last couple. And, yeah.
Yeah, and hoping to see if we're back to pre-covid attendance. Um, and it's great
to see some of our county folks there, Sheriff's Department was there great display
as usual. I learned something new every time I go to, um, the booths of our department.
So it's great. Um, the jaws of life in action. Oh, yeah, and open an old car.
Yeah. Oh, Prius, I heard, yes. Was a Prius that must have gotten some people excited.
Uh I think that's all, um, Mark, I'm sorry guys, you know, we have to wait till 1015.
So I advertise time to start a workshop. I'll be done by then. So Monday, August
5th uh board meeting day, Tuesday at a brief meeting with Matt Court. I seen the
management team and then I joined the Shelter Management zoom meeting before I had
to jump off the risk management committee meeting. And then there was the Zoom call
on the TLT the trust and transfer.
And then of course, the special meeting that followed on that same subject. And then
I took part in a was a energy audit grant info section in the session rather. Um
There's money available to do energy audits for counties. And so we're looking into
that then on uh Wednesday, um Greg mentioned the it directors meeting for the courthouse
and Mike, he's fired those back up and he has another uh scheduled for Castle Hill
later in the month. And then the pit bar meeting at 10 great meeting I thought
and then a meeting uh with public health and it, and central services on cost allocation
for uh Tyler EPL or Public Health has asked questions about managing the software
and the licenses and so on. And then on Thursday the eighth um ceo breakfast um Cindy
Brooks wasn't there. So we had like six folks on that call always good to hear what
other people are doing in the community. So you don't actually get breakfast out
of the deal. I know. Oh, it's one of those. Yeah, man. Yeah. Well, that's fine. Um
And then I um went out to Jefferson Transit, you know, I've driven by that 100 times
and I keep saying I gotta go in just have a look. And so I met with Nicole Gauthier
to talk about the, uh visitor center parking lot at highway 19 and highway 104
cost sharing. They have that parking lot paved because, because the straight shot
says they will stop there if it's paged. Right. That's great. So, this week Nicole's
at a transit conference and she's gonna talk to the clown transit director to see
if they'd be willing to chip in. And so maybe we have a three way call share on that.
And um you know, it would affect Eric Kz giving me a cost estimate that I can use
in the discussion with Nicole. Um And so, you know, three of the four votes that
would be needed for Jefferson transit to join and share the cost of sitting right
there. So, yeah, well, do you think we should talk about how much of the lot we want
to pay? But, you know, can't I do the whole thing, I mean, that is such a nightmare
of a lot. It is. Yes, that is, is that, you know, we, we don't have really a long
term plan for that site. And so talk about that when it comes based on what I heard
from Nicole, uh she would want the the bus to transit the outside edge of the parking
lot of the turning radius and, and that sort of thing. Um And that would call for
paving the entire lot, but like I mentioned in the email once we get in, into designing
the thing, I'll have conversations about what to pay and what not to pay. Um OK,
then the forestry meeting that Heidi talked about and then I had a, I don't know
how to describe it. It was um a come to Jesus meeting on funding for public works
uh Road fund in particular, only road fund actually. Uh And so we'll be coming to
the board to have a discussion about potentially forming a, a transportation benefit
district to help cover funding or shortfalls and in public works drug fund. Um
and then a gender review with Kate. And then on Friday had a meeting uh to review
some documentation that Tracy uh Coleman uh used on some projects and, and that was
with uh the auditor and the Ju Shepherd. And then I had a meeting with Brent Butler
and then I met with Barry Dun our strategic plan implementation and support consultant
and to kick off that work. And then I met with uh Chelsea promido, Josh
Peters and Judy Shepherd to do a deep dive into the financial circumstance of D CD.
You know, we, we deliberately held their transfer from the general fund down to um
what it was an artificially low level. And so we're likely gonna need to come to
the board later in the year for supplemental to continue funding that office. And
then I followed that up with my one on one with Josh Peters Ok. All right. We're
only a minute ahead. So maybe we should have um, public works, come in, get set up
at the table here. We have a workshop on electric vehicle plans. Josh Montgomery,
our fleet manager, he's gonna join us and Monte, is there some departments who are
in the thick of vehicle consideration right now? Um
Effectively killed a minute's time in talking. That's what politicians do, right?
So welcome Josh. Thanks so much for coming on. Relatively short notice. Um I appreciate
it. Um Mark you gonna tee this up or hand it right after Josh, right. Um You know,
a priority on the board for some time has been to migrate to electric vehicles for
our county fleet. Um, admittedly, we've had a very slow start some years ago, we
bought the uh Chevy Bolt from the courthouse motor pool and I think might have been
2019. We did that and, and that's other than uh a boom lift truck and fleet
and they can, you know, the diesel can be shut down and they can run on battery power.
We've uh been behind the power curve on that migration. And so, um, I know we had
the weed vehicle and, and most recently, of course, the vehicle for the fire marshal
and the commissioner, he put a line in the sand. And so, um, you know, the time is
really calm to get serious about this migration and uh come up with a policy and
a plan. And I'm super grateful that we have Josh Montgomery here, the professional
very capable fleet manager who I know can handle this effort with uh with grace and
skill and so over the job. So to be fair. Good morning. Uh When, when Mark brought
me on board, uh first conversation we did have was about how we get this going and
we both agreed that in order to be practical about it, it was as vehicles leave their
life. We look and see if their suitable situation is to go to an even model. So with
that in mind, that's something I've been doing for the seven, eight months that I've
been here. Um So we've got two candidates rolling into 25 that are looking like they're
gonna be perfect for this. One of those is for public health and one of those is
for public works. Um Those conversations happen with those departments individually,
we talk through what's coming up for them in the next year and we decide on what
vehicle suits their needs best. Um If they have range issues, if they have towing
capacity, if they're gonna be using the vehicle to work with it, there's some restraints
there. So we talk through all those things within mind that we need to be moving
towards electrification in some way, shape or form. So those two are on the books
for 25 course, those are also engine infrastructure in place So we do have a grant
right now that um, Mark is kind of working through as well. Um, to make sure we have
the right infrastructure at those locations to support those vehicles. Uh along with
that and beer has been fantastic in supporting a test bed option, which is going
to an E pursuit vehicle. So he went out, he test drove, uh not the pursuit vehicle
but a close to it and feels like it's going to be possibly the way to go. So he's
going to be the guinea pig as far as that's concerned for pursuit vehicles. Um, so
that's a pretty big deal right now. That's the first one in the, that first one.
So I might add though that, that is not a replacement, that would be a, the net increase
to the sheriff's fleet for which we would need about 80,000 in the budget authority
and in cash that we don't currently have.
So those are the, those are where we are right now with our plan and how we are moving
to try to bring in some electrification in a, in a position that doesn't go for shock
and all with some of the departments. Um, because there are some limitations on how
you can use them. We won't be out there plowing snow with one right now. That's not
in the cards for you. Um, when you have a full duty size truck being an F 2 53 50.
Usually they are towing and hauling things so that won't fit capacity on. But the
ideal candidates are the people leaders, transportation vehicles and a lot of those
sit at Castle Hill and the Public Health Department is very, uh, very friendly toward
this concept. So they're right in line. Uh D CD, conversations are taking place as
well and they're looking at their constraints as far as what they're being able to
do right now because right now they average about 15 to 16,000 miles, um, a year
on their vehicles. So they're pretty high. Um which means they travel very, very
far at top. So they're trying to put all those pieces together before they say yes
or no to whether they can take all that electric vehicle. So that's all that is subject
to the policy that the Lord wants to adopt. And if there are departmental objections,
um then we have to look at those and with a view to the policy that's been
established and in some cases, if the department may not want one, they get one anyway.
Um, and, uh, you know, this is here and resubmitted his agenda request for a vehicle
for the fire marshal's office. Um, he actually, I think drove the, um, the lightning
that the PD owns and came to the conclusion that the electric truck would work fine
for the farmer. And I pulled that agenda request because of this workshop that we're
having. And based on the outcome of this that might submit it for next our next meeting.
Um um And my main function with the departments is to make sure that fly
we're being responsible. Um Because when you look at things from a fleet standpoint,
you look at what your sustainability is. And if you increase your capital cost year,
over year, over year, you do not have a sustainable model that ends up being very
difficult unless you start bringing in more tax dollars to support that kind of thing.
Um And right now as we look at the electric vehicles, they pan out on a sheet and
they look pretty comparable to what the gas model is as you look at it over its life.
Unfortunately, that's the snapshot of its life. When you look at that as you purchase
them, that's where you run into a little bit of a real. So for me, when I look at
trying to make sure we have enough funding going forward to sustain the on that purchasing
plan, that's my only engine pin to most of the time. Otherwise, it's what departments
need and what the vehicle will support them with. So that's where we are. So to follow
up on that, I think what I heard was uh if, if we collected to replace an internal
combustion engine vehicle that costs less than, than electric in order to make this
transition, it may be that if we have 50 grand to replace a certain kind of vehicle
that we wanna electrify and then we need 10 grand more. We might have to come to
the board for an infusion of cash into the fund to cover the gap. I would concur
with that, that is what's going to need to happen because the money is not sitting
there anywhere in our funds for, uh for this transition, for this transition. Very,
that's it. And we wouldn't be talking huge dollar amounts. And based on my read of
the board, and then they're pretty clear that the financial you would support this
charging structure. We're not gonna on an extension cord out the window from my power
strip my computer, you know, to make sure we can drive to, we'll see the next time.
You should just look it up instead of a grinder pump, right? We can just put in,
I think it's important to state too that the context we're in, which is that the
state is requiring us to do this by 2035. This is not like some crazy idea. This
is, you know, we are, we are also under uh mandate from the state to be headed in
this direction. And so, you know, having that conversation in 24 when we have to
get there by 35 this is the time to be talking about it. There are of course exemptions
to that and it's, you know, it's more nuanced. But um this is what, what we are being
told to do by the state as well. Well, and I also think that there is the appetite
in our community in our county to do this and we can lead the way and show how to
do it because you guys are super smart and know what you need and know what we can
afford and know when you can't afford what you, what we want to buy that you need
to come to. I mean, we, we, we have the relationship and the capacity to do this
work here together. And I think we can really lead the way on this for small counties
in the state. And I'm very interested in, in working on a policy not considering
a case by case car by car basis, but having might be a, a process and a policy by
which we go through a decision making process so that it's not this one off every
time, you know, giving Phil heartache, right? Ok.
Um Should we go through some of the examples that you brought for us really appreciate
it, Josh and, and all your work on this? And I'd love to dig into the, the side by
side as well, but I'd love to know. I mean, Monte both said the infrastructure is
one of the big things that it's probably a deterrent too as we're doing it one by
one, you know, so at Castle Hill, I mean, what kind of are we talking about like
two level two chargers or kind of what, what do you think the appropriate infrastructure
for that location? That seems to be, you know, one of the most people moving heavy
places right now. So right now looking at having a single with two on it, level two
charger, there would be appropriate right now um in the following couple of years.
So when you look at most transportation vehicles that fit this mold, we're within
a 10 year life cycle. So by the time we hit 2035 we're going to hit and have all
those vehicles turned over in that time frame. So we would have to add certain charges
over time. So Castle Hill currently has 10 vehicles, 10 vehicles sitting at public
works, um Health Department, 8 to 10 vehicles as well. I mean, D CD has four. I'm
not quite certain as far as the capacities on whether or not the grid can handle
those specific requirements in those locations. Um I do know out at a lock, we are
tapped out what we have out there, so there's conversations there. Um But we would
have to have one or two charging stations sitting out at the shop to make sure that
we can charge them as they come in for services and whatnot. Um, at sheriff's office
also looking at getting some level twos and probably a mix of level threes at some
point in time. If we end up going really hot and heavy into those pursuit vehicles
there. Um Of course, there also has to be a conversation of take home vehicles. So
if people have to take home vehicles and we have to bridge the gap of how they're
gonna charge them at home, how do we do that? So those are some other policy considerations,
outside fleet, but something to think about. And with the charges, like for the,
the one that we have here uh at, at the courthouse, we use charge point and I think
we're paying more than the 11 cents uh for kilowatt hours. Are we gonna just like,
are we gonna continue that or are we going to be able to put them in secure areas?
So we can just put in a level two charger that's always on? Or I think uh I wanna
be clear, fleet is not the facilities department and we're talking about installing
stabilities at our county facility at Castle Hill that um need to come from another
group um modifying those buildings and the how it serves them and things like that.
I mean, fleet can certainly consult on what types of chargers and how many and where
they go and things. But uh
but please stop in the body that charging.
All right. And um Amanda Christopherson is um working on our um for ev charger grants
to sort of reallocate the locations and uh cause originally, um you know, they wanted
us to put in 10. Um, that's too many. And so we're looking at putting two in behind
public health, public works or, uh, public health and D CD and then two over at the
public works site. Um, and all that infrastructure would be covered by the, I'm not
sure if that's the best. I, so the EV CS Grants, so then we'd be paying 40 cents
a kilowatt hour to fuel our own vehicles.
Um, I mean, I'm, I mean, we don't have to have this conversation now. We can have
the charger conversation with facilities is, is appropriate. But I mean, you know,
these are, we're trying to change the system a little bit and steer the way that
and we wanna make it. So, you know, as Kate said, there's a policy and I think we're
interested in making it. So the default would be an EV unless there's a use case
that, you know, of course, if you're towing something, if you lose all that range.
So it's, it makes clear sense. You're not gonna be snowplowing with something that,
that, that loses. Uh, both doesn't do as well in the cold and also you lose all that
power, but from the, the tour. Um, yeah, I mean, I have a level two charger at my
house and it's super cost effective. The comparisons that Josh ran, they have found
11.7 cents duty rate hour. They can go as high as 13 something
powerful. I think that, that rate, um, just to clear
some rate to 40 cents or something, my person, my opinion on policy, which could
be different than yours. Fine is that we're a little early for policy because we
still don't have the infrastructure in and we don't, I think we're at a point where
we're
experiment some vehicles about, like how it would work for the sheriffs or, you know,
how, how it really works up there when we're driving the forks and stuff and maybe
public works in some gas vehicles and some electric vehicles pass the hill. But I,
I'm, uh concerned about a policy that locks us into one path. Then, you know, we
might have a lot better feels for, uh, you know how this is going a year from now,
uh, when we've got some chargers installed and we've, we've demoed essentially some
of our vehicles as like, uh, we feel like the whole, I mean, I know that people do
have evs so people in this community and they're sold on them. But, you know, again,
it's, it's not a personal vehicle, it's a work vehicle. And, you know, Josh mentioned
the Japanese that take their cars. Um, but that's a whole another thing that who's
paying for the power, uh, when you're charging it at your personal house and things
like that. So I feel like you're still some things to work through that
could be, could go into a policy, but that having a policy a month from now seems
like a little bit
too aggressive time frame from my standpoint, there could be a policy direction like
to move this way, which we are. I mean, purchasing some evs and policy doesn't mean
only EVs necessarily either it can have some nuance and some, you know, uh preliminary,
you know, uh baselines, right. But, and I appreciate the conversation that Josh is
having with, you know, department by department going through it. But, you know,
even in our conversation with Phil in the fire marshal's office there is, uh, a,
this is the way we've always done it, aspect to this that I think is, is very real
and it's, you know, each time we don't do it with, when we replace a vehicle, we're
pushing it down 10 years. Right. We don't, but we've got, I understand we gotta start
seeing and what is the actual lifespan? I mean, do you think they really both have
a 10 year lifespan? I mean, and it's takes different skills to, uh, you know, maintain
an electric vehicle. So I understand it's like a whole new book of work for, for
fleet, I guess. I, I,
we don't have the end all be all as to what the policy should be. But I guess I'm,
I feel like we need to, as we just did last week, start to draw lines in the sand
and say, well, you should maybe set aside that assumption and, and see if it'll work
first and, and that's the kind of policy I think we're talking about, you know, it's
just like the, the process that one goes through in, in, in consultation with fleet
to make the determination about what the appropriate vehicle is. But I also think
that we should put in appropriate infrastructure and just the, the cheapest install
is not necessarily the right install because it's like the the we're looking at the
whole life cycle, right? And understanding that life cycle cost is gonna be really
different with, you know, 12 cents per kilowatt hour or 40 cents per kilowatt hour.
Yeah, that would change the address. Yeah. Yeah, but we do also have, I mean, one
of the thing we want to consider is our, our Climate Action Committee and, and the
pledges we made there and, you know, every vehicle takes what, 2025 tons of carbon
out of the atmosphere each time we choose an electric vehicle or uh I mean, knowing
what those costs are, I mean, that's kind of me going through some of the studies
that have been done and we have essentially carbon free electricity. So we are, we
are a good candidate as an area for, for clean power. And you know, my pointed out
then there's no zero emission vehicles but they are zero emissions out of the tail
pipes, no tail pipes. So there's uh
that, you know, we, we wanna, we wanna explore it, I guess and, and exploring it,
um, as gingerly as we have been will not get us there. I think that's where I am,
I guess, but would like to point out though that the one vehicle that was purchased
in the past almost was like a test that option. It didn't seem like there was conviction
to move that way or the idea or the knowledge base to move there physically there
is that now, um, there isn't a hip fire decision that's going
on. We sit down, we talk through ups and downs lefts and rights. They come up with
what it is. Um, in the case of Phil, in the fire marshals department, they're talking
about a range exception on that vehicle that may come into play with it. So that's
where that conversation teetered back and forth to. Let's go back to the gas version
of this because of your idea is that you're gonna have a range problem. Uh, we certainly
don't want departments to have a problem taking care of the mission that they're
here to do that. We don't want to happen. So when I sit down with him, that's what
I point out to him is, let's talk about this on the table. Let's see what's going
on. Um, traditionally pursuit vehicles are not electric, they're just not there.
So this was a very open minded conversation that Andy and I had, and it worked out
to where this is what we're gonna do and it's probably gonna work out pretty well.
Um at least on the face level, but as, as we mentioned before, that's a significant
capital increase. So when we look at the numbers on that one in particular, you're
going from a 71,000 capital purchase to a 91,000 based off of fitting and everything
else that goes into it, that is significant, You know, that's not small amount. Um
When I typically meet with folks and we talk through, do you need an F 250 or 350?
Let's talk this through. And if it's uh or crew cab work tan, what have you? Um If
there's a variable of $1000 here or there and it gives them more capacity, more de
um flexibility, we make that adjustment right there. This is a little bit more than
that when we talk about these vehicles just on the versa for another person to leave.
Um A leaf goes from $20,000 to $35,000 for us. So that's a $15,000 very small package.
Um That's where I come into play to say, are we gonna be able to do this fiscally
because right now the R and R fund has some sustainability issues quite a bit. We've
talked about that before and um and we are still trying to do figure that out. Um
We, we actually had a pretty good handle on that. But now I'm putting it in place
for five, so just a few things to, to also throw out there and, um, certainly agree
that there needs to be something as far as the policy is that because you can't expect
folks to do something without there being something in place. Um, perhaps not complete
line in the sand though as it stands to it because there are some exceptions to this.
So I'm curious, have, um, have you looked at other, um, counties to see, um, kind
of what, what data to be using for some of the cost benefit analysis that we're doing
here? Like the um, life cycle cost, the expected life of a vehicle, the uh maintenance
costs, like are those ground truths anywhere that we can take a look at and say,
hey, are we, are we making the right assumptions here about costs? So when you talking
about the way that we're looking at it right now, our assumptions for cost are very
minimal for both of them. Um When you look at the time frame of a gas vehicle, you
have 36,000 miles, three years, most of the time for bumper to bumper add to that
another two years. And the manufacturers say, hey, we'll give an extended warranty.
That's what you can pretty much look at and go. That vehicle is gonna run that long.
Um, because they're not gonna take on the risk of any extra cost, um, with the electric
vehicle, you've got an eight year warranty mandated by the federal government right
now on the power package of it,
the manufacturers are gonna make sure that they don't have costs associated within
those eight years. They're going to build with that. Now, you're gonna have onesies
and twos you have that with. So when we look at our structure, it's very small. Um,
based upon the fact we're going to see that vehicle once a year. So we look at what
the maintenance cost is for once a year, for the shop to look at it for 1 to 2 hours.
Let me calculate that in. Um, as far as any other assumptions we're building, they're
very, very small here except for the fact that we have to assume that 11 cents kilowatt
hours wanted to or, yeah, going to stay, um, 397 for gasoline is going to go up and
down. But those are the assumptions that we're making, um, mileage. So we're assuming
they're gonna get 12,000 a year in the case of the sheriff's office, it's going to
get more than 12,000. Weird. But in order to look at an apple to an apple, that's
what we had to look at. Um, we have not had conversations with other counties. Uh,
I did speak with Callen County not too long ago about their overall, er, r program
and they are, um, almost in the same situation. We are when it comes to the sustainability
of the fun. So I didn't feel like they were good
place to go get some information off of this. So, um however, the way that we're
looking at the vehicles comparable right now, they are very close over their life.
It's where they're not close is up front, that's where we have to be trying to make
that work. And I mean, is that, is there a way to work out the, the, er, and R funds
to kind of accommodate that different life cycle like that lower, you know, a higher
rent, lower upfront cost for the department or something or lowering the, uh, the
monthly, er, R, I mean, I'm not, I don't know why Monty's shaking his head. No, sorry,
the, I mean, the, the rates are, are influenced by the life put on by the expected
maintenance, et cetera, but the rate doesn't include the upfront capital cost
increase of the EV, because you're paying for the next one in that rate, not the
current one. I mean, you know, the way, er, and R works is like, uh, public works
wants a new pickup truck that we've never had in the fleet before. Uh, er, and R
doesn't buy that for us. The customer buys it 50 grand. There you go. Now your rate
is paying for the replacement of that truck 10 years from now. So that increased
capital cost that EV up front would have to be covered by the customer. Then from
there on your rates are going, going to cover the future replacement and will be
structured to uh based on the expected maintenance. And they, well, actually the
way we're adjusting the fleet fund so that it is sustainable. It's not gonna, your
rate isn't gonna be based on expected maintenance. It's gonna be based on actual
maintenance 12 months prior, kind of like our facilities bills are based on actual
cost from facilities. So there really are a lot of areas in these rates to where
there's wild gasses going on. I mean, you're guessing on fuel costs and fuel use
and with the fuel, we are also doing the fuel where we're going to do actual costs,
but they are pretty with the way these comparisons were done. I mean, if you look
at them, the expected maintenance cost on the EV is set pretty low, but it wasn't
set artificially high trying to make a point or anything like that. I mean, 100 and
$25 a year and that apparently buys you a new set of tires over eight years. Um,
so, so far that's my thing really. We have a great history of gas vehicle. We know,
I know my personal life and my Subaru had zero issues for the 1st 100,000 in 10 years
and the next 10,000 miles cost me $6000. That's what they do, you know, uh, the brakes,
the radiator, the wheel bear, you know. So, um, you'll avoid some of that with the
EV, but at this point 12,000 miles a year, 10 year life is a reasonable expectation
for a, a vehicle. I think it, that kind of mileage you start seeing and, and age,
you start seeing issues that are costing more than, and just replace them. But I
mean, the research says that is not true for electric vehicles that they might have
a longer life. Yes. Yes. And that there's an expectation. So I just want to be sure
that, you know, the assumptions that we're putting into a policy is, is realistic
longer life than they so much better than that. But yeah,
but we don't know yet either what the market looks like for that. So there's the
other n in the conversation. So most of the time you base a gas vehicle off the fact
that market is gonna dictate what the value is gonna be as you're selling. Um, right
now we move the sheriffs vehicles, pursuit vehicles every five years and we do that
because if we exceeded that for one, we're gonna hit a lot more maintenance costs
and two, we want to get some money out of them to do. So, um, the other vehicles
within the fleet are set of 10 years because of the very same reason. Usually you're
gonna see 100 20 130 100 and 40,000 miles around that time frame. Um, so we get some
money back from the sale of these vehicles. We don't have any information yet on
the electric vehicle market. We don't know what that's going to look like. Um, we
also don't know what it looks like. We have to replace the battery system. So these
are all things that we do want to hedge our way into before we maybe get a lemon
or something that's gonna run us a little higher on cost. Um So right now we compare
them the same, we feel like we're doing justice by making sure that they're both
going at the same time. Um which also means that the depreciation, the replacement
cost, those are all the same time frame as well. So it gives us a good comparison
and, and like I said, the comparisons aren't to where one is drastically better than
the other one. They are very close. So that's where it's not as if it's something
that we want to go. Oh, that's horrible. Did you do this? No, it's actually looks
very close where we run into the rub on. It is the capital upfront. That is the problem.
That's the only issue, right? So I guess I have a question. So if we anticipate say
replacing two trucks with the roads in the next, like say four years, couldn't you
just increase the monthly rate? So the extra money would be there when you go to
purchase the vehicle instead of having a capital cost in that time frame, set up
the R and R for electric vehicles. Now, it, it's really challenging to track all
these side deals that have been, you know, like, well, this vehicle we're doing this
with the raid and this one, we're doing this with the raid. So, I mean, we're, um,
I mean, we get along that but it's, it's hard to change
your plan midway through the life of the vehicle. Um, it's not impossible to get
something to look at, but, I mean, the money is gonna come from the same place so
it's cleaner if you just say you wanna upgrade essentially to this more expensive
vehicle. Now you pay that one time upgrade cost, then going forward, your rates are
set to cover the replacement of an in kind vehicle with 3% inflation per year built
into that, uh, rate, which sometimes is it? Mhm. Mhm. Well, I
mean, I'm, I'm really grateful that we have departments willing to experiment with
us and I think that's gonna be part of, you know, it's gonna be iterative and our
electric bus is not on the road right now from Jefferson Transit.
No, not because of, it's just a bad, bad steering and it just, you know, it's a bleeding
edge so they don't, it's not on the road, you know, I mean, like these things are
gonna come, we recognize with, uh, some inefficiencies as, as we, you know, change
horses, which is really what we're talking about doing. You know, and I, but I think
having some of these so you can start looking through and what, what, what are the
relative costs as we go through it and you get some, some knowledge on the ground.
So, I mean, you know, three vehicles, four vehicles, that's a, that's a, that's a
better start than we've had. So that's a, you know, 400% increase. Uh, but yeah,
but I do think this question of charging is, um, critical here. And I'm curious,
do you know Josh, um, you know, I think all of us have installed, you know, the home
EV chargers a kind of 1015 $100 installation. Um, but, you know, that's what the
contractor doing it. Um, is there reason to think that that would be sufficient or
insufficient for, um, commercial use even though it's the same draw. Um, so
my expertise is, sits on the vehicle side. Once we go over 24 volts, I'm pretty much
bigger to the. So I like to stay away from anything that goes at me and hurt me to
that far. So we could answer that. Ok, we could look into it, but I just think the
savings of us just paying our own pud bill versus, you know, the significant effort
of using grant funds, getting grant funds and using them pain in the butt. And, um,
and then be tied to a third party at a higher rate is, is silly. So maybe that's
mark something we could be working on is trying to get some quotes on install. And,
you know, obviously they'd be assessing the added use. I would say like I, I also
would like to, you know, be looking at is that twice as much money to put in for
instead of two, you know, like this is especially for the level two that we're not
seeing a ton of change in that technology. We do expect with the fast chargers that
um the the connection piece is gonna be much more universal in next year 26. So,
but I, I don't know that we plan to put those and it is, you know, it's good fortune.
We have eight of them sitting in Port Townsend now largely unused the DC fast chargers.
So, you know, I would encourage as people make that transition to build in half an
hour a day to go top up there and answer your emails. And, you know, it's something
that we all do as using evs for business as well and driving to Olympia in the winter.
And, you know, it's like we figured out how to make that work. Um But I think that
I do think this question of the charging infrastructure needs to be one of the first
things we take on. Yeah.
Mark, is that something you can commit to with, I guess with sleep, I mean, we doing
facilities, sorry. Um, how do we wanna, do you wanna walk through the, the side by
side at all or? I, I love, I mean, we've got Andy here too about the conversation.
I don't know if there's any points that you guys want to make on this. I really do
appreciate, I'm getting this. Yeah. What would be, um, helpful? I mean, I think,
I think we're saying we support the, the, the couple of requests that we know of
here um free really, we include the fire marshal. Um And you
know, we're agreeing that there's going to be a hit to the general fund for this,
but that we think it's important to prioritize. I assume that's general fund, right?
This wouldn't be, this is a capital. No, it would be. Um
So uh what's, what's our pleasure? Do you want to? Um Well, we have an 11 o'clock,
right? We have 10 minutes left. Do you want to dig into this or say let's proceed
with the, the three. I know. Uh And Mr T did, I'm concerned about the Nissan Leaf
in particular. Um And have you looked at model Y for the pursuit vehicle?
I, the only one that I've actually seen that's uh really available is the Chevy.
It's basically there's stuff there to get it up. Um Actually sat in a, a Tesla, it
goes 22 years ago over it in Spokane and it was very small inside with all your gear
on, not room but then not, not room for all of your gear to put in the car. Didn't
really seem like a really great platform for us. There's still just a lot of questions
that we don't know. That's why we just want to get one to test it out, but it's definitely
the future. So we, we definitely want to be there. Really appreciate that. I worry
too. Tesla is just a lot of proprietary stuff that Chevy Ford, you know, this is,
you know what they look like and you know, it's different maintenance and few extra
wire. Yeah, people are laughing about the Chevy bet like, well, can you really fit
more than two people in? And I'm like, come on, but my book group is four people.
I'm like, let's go on a ride and one of my, my book group people is like, likes bigger
cars and I'm like, it's just, and it's those are spacious little cars. They, it's
amazing. Yeah, I mean, I'm, yeah, we should get ours used more though. I feel like
uh it's not utilized enough. I think Kate is the one that uses it primarily for Olympia
and stuff. It is not getting a lot of utilization but 2500 miles a year.
I mean, can we, I don't know, put it somewhere else or open it up to wider use? I
mean, it's just that we do let other departments use our car, not hr and um you know,
ju services use it for
like ways to get more, more butts in the seats. Did you, Josh wanna go through any
of the particular lines in the, I think they all make sense but to talk through the,
the Nissan Leaf, um Nissan Leaf was something that was good because it was on the
state contract at the time. So it was the easier. Um So we talked a
little bit about the assumptions that are made on the form and mostly our, our formula
sits with the assumption of mileage. Um your cost, tissue, your MPG or your kilowatt
per hour. Um Our estimated residual, which we usually put a 10% regardless of what
it is just to give us a good buy in the sand for that as well. Uh Life cycle is gonna
be an assumption kind of. We're going to put that on there as a standardized going
across the board. Can you sorry, estimated residual? Can you just explain more what
that is salvage value? Ok. Ok. Thank you. Um And then the other assumption is gonna
be our annual maintenance cost on the vehicle, um, which with these are very low
so that 100 and $25 is actually our shop rate, internal shop rate that's only seeing
that vehicle for an hour once a year, the vehicle next to it, which would be the
leaf, uh the gas version of it, um or the Nissan versa would be only be seen about
the same time frame once a year, but it's also gonna have some other extra things
have to go oil and. Right. Yeah. So like I said, the cost of these are very, very
minimal. Um And as we move forward, as Marie kind of alluded to a more actual number
is gonna be put in here. So whatever the replacement value, uh, vehicle had, as far
as maintenance costs for its last year of life, the funnel of the new vehicle in
its first year of life. So we could be seeing higher cost for the gas vehicles moving
forward and much lower cost for the electric works in school. But we need to have
that data in front of us. We need to see these vehicles and touch them and use them.
Um, and I think as far as your analysis in front of you is concerned $382 a month
for us right now would be the monthly rate that we charge internal service, um, for
the Nissan versa, 435 a month is not a huge jump. It's very small as far as the way
that looks at. And is that based on the upfront cost? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, because what's
gonna happen is your depreciation over your life is going to be your highest cost
for the vehicle. No replacement cost is going to come in and cover a portion of that
3% increase over the life of it. That's where that marries up right there. And you
give your actual cost of your new vehicle for the replacement time. The apartment
would have to cover the $15,000 differential the first time, the first time and you
buy the afterward when you buy the electoral. So there's a cost to, or the general
size. Yeah. Right. Well, depending on the fund, uh, you know, looking at the Sheriff's
budget last year, they left three quarters of a million in budget on the table. So
they could absorb the cost of this electric vehicle pretty easily. And uh rather
than giving the supplemental appropriation, was that capital left the left on the
table? Was that just the whole budget or the whole budget? Yeah.
Um ok, so we have an 11 o'clock I, I would, it sounds like we have momentum to move
forward with charging. Um I, I think, am I right in saying that the three of us agree
with pursuing the three evs we know and there might be some different avenues for
funding that. What's the fourth? Can you, can we make sure we get it on the record?
Which of those we're talking about the EV for fire marshal, public health and the
pursuit vehicle. There's public works, public health and the public works. One, a
sedan, one motor sedan. Ok. Started. It's the, uh, the Nissan leaf. That's not the
public health one. Those, both of those are the same. Oh, got you. Ok. Would it still
be a Nissan leaf or are there any others on the state list now? So, I haven't seen
any new coming on there yet, but they could be there. Ok. Which, this would not be
the actual right one we go after. Ok. But, yeah, I mean, that's that a bolt or something
at a comparable price with another, you know, 60 miles of range makes a big difference.
Yes. Yeah. And, and if you know, I assume it's good for the shop to have some familiarity
with the number of, if we had a number of bolts, you get more familiarity. I don't
know, we, we have a good track record with the bolt not driving it enough. We're
going to take action based on this discussion. I didn't appreciate a motion, ok?
Although we're not sure yet the avenue for each of these, right? I mean, you're saying
like the Sheriff's Department might be, might have budget to cover it. Like I'm not
sure what the action is. Well, to approve the acquisition subject to research on
how to fund it. Um If you're just empowered to do that, we will undertake whatever
action is necessary to pay for the vehicles, whether it's coming to you for the publication
or taking it without an existing budget. I'm happy to, to move that, that fleets
and public works uh move forward with, with the the four electric vehicles that we've
discussed today and as discussed today as well as developed, you know, a plan for
charging infrastructure with facilities and further work on a policy and further
work on a policy. There will be a public comment. Yeah, I'm happy to second that
motion. All right. Um I'm gonna open this up for public comments. If anyone would
like to provide public comments on um, the motion on the table only, please, uh indicate
by raising your hand in the room or on Zoom. And I'm gonna start this time on Zoom.
I'll start with Mister Tirch. Yeah.
Hello again, Tom. Good morning again. Commissioners. Um Yeah, thanks for the interesting
conversation on this good, good discussion. A couple of things that caught my attention
of, for example, of looking at only the state list for vehicles seems uh unnecessarily
limiting because you can simply go to the Tesla website and click buy. You don't
need to go through the state cause you're not getting any particular special deals
as far as I can tell on that. So I would reiterate, you know, look, look at a Tesla
as part of your selection process, you're gonna get better value for the money. It's
a superior vehicle. I'm not talking about a small vehicle either. Uh It's, it's roomy
enough for certainly for the sedan use that you're talking about. Um Glad, glad to
hear that the, the sheriff's department is looking at pursuit vehicles. I think they're
gonna find them useful, uh, surprised that they found the model y to be too small.
But they, they, they are burdened with an awful lot of equipment that they carry
around. So I can't really say one way or the other nonetheless. Um, you know, don't,
uh, don't be too narrow focused when selecting vehicles,
uh, you know, find, find the vehicle that's best suited for the job. The, you know,
the, the statement I believe as Commissioner Dean said, well, Tesla's got a bunch
of proprietary stuff. Well, every manufacturer has proprietary technology GM for
their bolt and other evs uses what they call an ULTI M platform. Well, that's completely
unique to GM. Vehicles Ford has their own and so on and so forth. Tesla has theirs,
of course. And Tesla, let's face, it has 80% of the market for a reason. They're
really good cars, so don't overlook them. Uh, and, uh, if it costs eight percent
more to get a superior vehicle, then it does and you'll be happy you did. Thanks.
Thank you, Mr Tar. Anyone else online wish to provide public comment?
All right, let's go in the room, Maggie. Ok.
So yes to EV or the county. Yes, to charging stations. Yes, to charging stations
down in the transit center so that every bicycles and electric cars would be able
to do that, please. Yes. Thank you. All right. Any um response
discussion? No, I mean, I had one question for Bill, I think on the lightning. Um
I know one concern that you guys had was the weight in the vehicle. And when you
guys looked at that, it looked like the lightning could accommodate what you guys
needed to carry. Oh, yes, it does. So they have a 2000 pound payload capacity according
to the manufacturer. Um I do expect there probably be some reduced range, but that
can, can be overcome by getting an extended range package on the vehicle, which is
one of the things that I did expect. Uh Thanks for taking the time to look into it.
I know it's a lot. It was, it was really happens to us. You know, the PD came by,
shout out to Jose from uh it was like I got Scott's truck. I love it. He had about
6000 miles on it and uh he was gracious enough to, to take us for a ride, you know,
and love us behind the wheel. And it was, they, they are very capable vehicles, you
know, and my biggest issue with everything was uh up FT to make sure that we could
still get all our radios and things that we need to do there. Uh There is provisions
for that. Um And um of course, the range which again, I think that we can overcome.
I did uh check on where the chargers are within the county, you know, with an expanded
uh charge capability and still not much in the South. South County. But, you know,
we could figure that out and, you know, the infrastructure is only gonna be better
here. Yeah. No. Thanks for taking the extra effort. Yeah. And you just get used to
charging whenever you can't always charge overnight. And if you're by a fast charger,
you do it
solve the problem with perpetual energy and can charge itself, right? Oh, yeah, I
just more than regenerative braking. You can just have the battery up to the charger.
That nice. Well, soon we can use our roads as you put in new roads to make them inductive
charger. Right. There's plenty,
there's a reason we used to stay big because otherwise we have to put out customized
bids, everything, you know, we just, it's a, it's a much larger process to do, which
is my county is the city by Aman. Yeah, let's see. You get a price break because
those are. Mhm. All right. Since we're at the 11 o'clock hour, um I will call the
question all those in favor. Please say II I and I'm happy to work on doing some
policy research and, you know, calling around. Um and I'm on the MRSC board. It's
easy for me to get some sample policies and stuff there and just, you know, start
looking at the considerations for future policy. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thanks.
For all your work. Appreciate it. Right of all the people at the fair who are gonna
want to see the electorate.
Sarah
Theo. All right. Um We have a closed session scheduled with our administrator and
human resources director to discuss that portion of a meeting during which the governing
body is planning or adopting strategy or position to be taken by the governing body
during the course of any collective bargaining, professional negotiations or grievance
or mediation proceedings or reviewing the proposals made in the negotiations or proceedings
while in progress exemption as outlined in the open public meetings Act RCW 42.30
0.1 40 parentheses, four parentheses. B we will be going into executive session from
uh or closed session, excuse me from 1105 until 1120 for 15 minutes.
So now you have to leave. This is a decided uh return
the illegal ro I and I is not mandatory.
Ok. That's, that's all right. Thank you.
Is that perfect
back live Carolyn, believe so. Great. Ok. We're coming out of closed session and
we will not be taking any action. So what is the pleasure of the board? Should we
do? Calendar, calendar week? Ok, sure. Go.
Let's see here with you guys today. No chamber meeting tonight. Uh Tomorrow, I'm
meeting with Mark and Ben and Matt from facilities. Thanks for setting that up questions
about progress down in quilting and Brennan uh community centers at uh 11 I have
the E DC finance committee meeting one. I'm doing some retreat planning, you know,
DC board is having a retreat on August 30th. So we're kind of working on the agenda
to make sure that full day experience is uh fruitful and productive. And then uh
joining some of you, at least at the growth management steering committee meeting
at the tri area community center, Tuesday evening, Wednesday, I am uh work was canceled.
We cancel the August meeting usually and uh going down to meet uh John Holbert at
the Black Point um uh N pr to talk through his concerns and issues
or, you know, maybe it's just a bunch of raves, I'm not sure. Um And then I'll be
with you guys for the Board of Health meeting on the 15th little Housing Fund board
agenda planning that we really do need to do this time. And then I have an Holy Cap
meeting Thursday the 15th five. And then on Friday,
I think there is something um couple means about the pool kind of gotta get
the, the presentation scheduled and we've been working out the final draft of the
recommendations and, and uh and finding so I'll, I'll get together with the Diane
mcdade. Another one here too that much for um oh, co ordination meetings canceled
and I don't think I'm doing the radio on the 16th. I am. Yeah. Um But that is my
week that it was quite weak.
I am um participating in all the central service director candidate
interviews this week because I was wondering when that was, there's three of them
two tomorrow and one on Thursday. Um I'm not going to AJ CF board
event tomorrow evening, so I can go to the Growth Management steering committee.
Um On Wednesday, we have an, uh opioid sub-committee meeting to
further plans are now we're gonna deploy the opioid funds um alongside the Behavior
Health Advisory Committee, which we're also talking about a Board of Health. Right.
Right. And then, let's see. So I bet you Wednesday will be a lot of planning for
Thursday. Um And then having a discussion with Apple and Anna after that about school
based mental health because it sounds like some of the other funding sources, not
our funding, not the days that we fund of counselors and school districts is decreasing,
but other, other funds that the school districts receive for counseling in school
districts is not materializing for the school year COVID. So just trying to figure
out how to best support the kiddos really. Um And then,
um Wednesday evening, the planning commission meeting sounds interesting, but I was
told what, like I shouldn't go to planning commission meetings. What's your guys'
take on that? I mean, we sit on a lot of advisory boards that end up coming to us.
I think it's like you're putting your, I don't know, I've been, I've been to them.
I usually just uh listen, I think you're well entitled to go. You, you shouldn't
be like uh deliberating with them, right? You know, you can say something. That is
my, my feeling too. OK. I just heard that comment a couple of times and I like, I'm
gonna check with my colleagues and they're talking about short term parentals. I
think. So. There were a couple of things. Um and then let's see, they're talking
about uh Hadlock. I like I've, I've heard some what's going on with the, I don't
know uh
zoning uh conversations with Brent and everything. I think it seems right that well,
if the the the middle housing grants right, Brent did the charrette and the bicycle
tour and some activities in Hadlock and those were really focused on the deliverables
that were outlined in the middle housing grant, how to encourage middle housing and
the havoc in the in the UG A. Um separate from that, there's the um
table 18.18 and the code that talks about all of the allowed, you know, the building,
what's allowed in certain zones in the UG A. And there's, there was some concern
and maybe confusion that all of this activity that Brent was undertaking as part
of the Middle middle housing grant was really about redoing the comp plan in it.
And I met with Josh and a constituent on Friday and it's really not. So we're not
the beginning of the conversation. We may have learned stuff through the mental housing
work that will inform some of the conversations. But the, the, the grant report for
the little housing grant or the, you know, the funding reporting that's due for,
that is not the end game of the comp plan update, periodic review of the comp plan.
Yeah, and this is some suckers, you know, system that would not, you know, uh be
proposing land use changes during construction until the sewer is done. We don't
wanna jeopardize any challenges that would pause them having any, a lot of questions
about how, how did a dollar store happen? And I'm like, they applied for a development
application, you know, I mean, they went through the process, there weren't any red
flags raised and so it's the concern about, you know, what is our community gonna
look like on both sides of the I'd say on both sides of the political spectrum? Yeah.
Tell your, your homies in district two to start looking at the development. I think
they kind of beat one back in Fall County is what I've heard kind of on, on the DL
just with, you know, a lot of, uh, um, resident pushback, you know, making it
too, you know, onerous. So they didn't do it then. But the, the concerns that would,
wouldn't really apply to the phase on sewer boundary and have that, I don't know
what the concern,
you know, I mean, there's, there's, if there's not public notice required for the
type of application, a dollar store needed. It wouldn't, you know, rise to that.
And I think some, some places if it's a chain store, they require public notice,
it's the kind of thing we could consider after the sewer stop. Yeah. Right. Right.
So, my mother here, because I realize my, um, plugged in, don't mind me. So then
going to, going to the Planning Commission meeting Wednesday evening then and then
um final central services director candidate interview on Thursday morning. Uh Then
the trust land transfer uh ranking committee is going to meet to see everything ranked
on Thursday and then the Board of Health meeting with you all. And then on Friday
morning, I have the Salish a so executive committee meeting at the um casino in Glen.
But, and then I will be on KPDZ with Mallory and hopefully Matt Tyler talking about
kind of our for a look back on our forestry program and, and then kind of spooling
up the future
so excess. All right. And you're back just in time.
I was following all that. I'll be sure listen to the radio show. All right. Um
With you here today, going to the um Centrum concert in Gala tonight. I'm excited
about um tomorrow, I have a Maritime Washington National Heritage Area Advisory
Board meeting, followed by a leadership council executive committee meeting for Engagement
and Partnership. Um Then uh meeting with RD Festival, talk about carnival and then
growth management steering committee meeting. I'm, I'm wondering, you've been chairing
in my stead. Right. I'm the chair now. Oh, ok. I wanted to make sure that we did
make that official. It makes sense. I will be there. Ok, great. But you're much more
up to speed. So, um, Wednesday, strangely don't have anything. I guess
we're maybe going to have a state Board of Health meeting. So I had to hold on my
calendar all day. Um But that's been canceled. So just have a couple of evening meetings.
Um Thursday legislative steering committee for was a uh will be uh the co-chair and
I will be meeting with Paul Jewel to continue refining our legislative priorities.
Um Another audit conference um at our Board of Health meeting, I just wanna put a
plug in if las come up and flexibility, more la flexibility. Yeah, it's not in there,
but there is a general kind of housing flexibility. One that we really try to, she
might then uh Friday have a pencil, regional Transportation Planning Organization
meeting. Um And with the coordinations meeting canceled, that is all last
one calendar thing the following week. Are, are you gonna do canvassing board for
the primary? I saw that and that is that we have to adjust our 16th schedule. I saw
a meeting on the 11 to 1 p.m. You're gonna step away. Um It be 11 to 2
actually. Ok. Yeah, three hours, three hours. I know. Well, they, they are anticipating,
it might end early but I don't really have anything scheduled between that time frame
and the next, uh, we have a hearing at 1110 45 AM. Yes. The hearing of, uh, for,
for Ludlow Drainage District assessment system at 2 p.m. and hearing for D CDC schedule
update. Ok. So, not too bad. I'll just miss the hearing for Port Ludlow D District
and the Transit Authority board meeting the next day too. Right? I told them I'll
be late. Yeah, and uh, that's from 1 to 2 and then uh the creation is 1 to 2 and
transit is starts at 130 to 3. So I told them I would join late and why did we decide
we were doing about the 26th? Ok. Whether their hearings on the 26th and they're
set from 1030 to 11, it says continued public hearing and potential action. So I,
I believe that could be moved but on what, on what uh D CDC schedule or because I
think that was an after the hearing on the 1990 we can talk with Josh about, about
that. Don't have access to my email during the meeting. Ok.
So maybe just we can Carly and Mark, be aware to not add anything in that 11
to 2 time frame on next Monday. I'm actually working on the agenda right now. That's
fine. So great. I'm not adding anything else. Ok, thank you.
Um Mark, gonna check about your upcoming week.
Ok. Well, today with the board, of course, uh tomorrow, uh Greg already mentioned
that sit down with Matt Court and Ben Johnson to talk about co
uh facility issues. And then two interviews for central services director in the
afternoon. Then um on Wednesday, a light day
monthly, meaning the German Shepherd and the North Olympic Peninsula city manager,
Kelly administrator periodic get together.
And then on Thursday, nine o'clock, the third candidate for the central services
position. Um And then Kate, I thought you mentioned the entrance conference for the
state audit. So I had my interview. 00, different than the entrance.
The entrance con conference for the state auditor is the 15th at one o'clock. And
then um Stacy Preta is working on a policy for electronic funds transfer and, and
I'm on that policy work group. And so she had uh I was holding a meeting on that
topic on Thursday afternoon and then a, a gender review with Kate and then on the
16th, um I'm gonna coffee with Mallory. It's also pastry day for staff in the office.
Um And then from 9 to 11 D CD is having an open house um for people to come in
and learn about a number of things. Uh New GIS features for looking at property info
from an intake and review process site development, review process, um customer self
service online portal. And then general planning questions and have light refreshments.
So hopefully people will uh take advantage of that opportunity to learn. And then
I had my biweekly meeting with Mikey for A T and then a meeting at 130 with public
health and D CD. And the it folks uh to talk about EPL and potentially migrating
to the cloud which would yield some significant benefits for the county uh and some
cost. So there's also that meeting will be coming to the board at some point along
with an update on EPL progress. So that's it. Ok.
Um We look ahead to the next week because um I guess. Yes. Mm
No, you're out the following week. Um Six is there? Yeah, that's when you're out,
I'm gonna be out on the later part of um next week. Um But I think I
have marked my calendar accordingly. Um
Heidi anything you want to try to get covered that last week in August? No. Ok. It's
not being here and a special meeting. We have to do the 29th. It has to be done before
September 1st. Ok. That's the only thing that we do if possible. Do you wanna do
the continued hearing deliberations on the 29th as well? If, if that works better
for us instead of the 26. Yeah. After that,
I know he had a, a particular time frame he was aiming for, right? Which is why we
said we could meet for a short time on the 26th. Um, I don't know if that changes
his, his time frame, which seems pretty I tunes fine tunes. Ok.
Mm. I'll confirm with them as I also do have a question about September. I have a
note that September 3rd, uh, the health update might resume. Should I inquire with
Alison Barry or do you? Oh, thank you for bringing that up because we did, um, somehow
Jim Burke knew that it was gonna be starting and, and doctor Berry and I on the radio
were like, ah, I'm glad you're thinking about that. Um,
yeah, and again, I think we said because maybe as fall comes, you know, they might
change. Although I think the big is happening now, we probably be on the downside
of it by then, but it would be good to have her back. So I'll touch base with her
and confirm September 3rd. Probably the first one. Great. Thank you. And then monthly.
Yeah, through the winter following winter, I think it'd be good. Yeah, I think people
really appreciated it. Yeah, I heard a lot of comments that people missed, it, missed
Allison when she was gone. Yes. All right. Anything else you wanna cover
this morning?
All right, let's, um, recess for lunch and we'll see you back at 130. Sounds good.
Sounds great. Good lunch. Everyone,
I just turn my music now. Hi, everyone. We are coming back into session and I see
we have at least uh that co public works guest. Maybe that's al all. Uh if Molly
wants to be brought over, raise your hand, ma Yeah, not you feel free to join us
if you like, he declined it earlier? Ok.
Oh, no, that's ok.
Hi, welcome.
Is this a bad sign that you didn't come over here? No, no. On the, on the survey
results? No, no, I just uh trying to get things wrapped up so I can take a little
bit of vacation here. So nice. Well, can I hand it right over to you? Sure.
Let me share my screen. Let me get that loaded.
True. There we go. Everyone see that your next slide and notes as well. But yeah,
I know. Ok, let me, let me get out of that shit. Just be one screen.
There we go.
How's that? All right. Um Well, thanks for giving us some time today. Um
this afternoon to uh give you a brief update on where we're at with our facility
replacement planning process for our solid waste facilities. Um It's been a little
bit uh which isn't to say that we haven't been doing a lot of work on that uh on
this process, but um we're getting ready to interface with the facility's task force
again. And so we thought it'd be an opportune time to brief the board on, on what
we've been up to and where we hope to take this process
Thank you, you get controls. Here.
There we go. All right. So what's been done to date and what comes next in phase
one of our process? Um Staff worked as an integrated team with both the task
force and the consultant and we did so through an integrated project team charter.
This gave us kind of the sideboards for how we are going to work collaboratively
on our process. And that team charter also provided us with some guiding principles
for our planning decisions. And we'll talk later um in this presentation about uh
how important those uh and how helpful those guiding principles are serving us. So,
among with the the development of the team charter and those guiding principles,
we also identified the current facilities conditions um which describe them as
marginally adequate right now, given um how overcapacity particularly the transfer
station is, and we also identified the uh replacement cost of those facilities in
20 $22. Um that was slightly over $8 million but of course, we've gone through a
period of um exceptional um cost escalators and so that number's probably
getting closer to 10 million today. Um We also as a group identified our target future
level of service and we've set that as between medium and high and we identified
a, a host of other functions that could be co located with the new transfer station.
Um We didn't really hone down on, on, on any prioritized list of those, this was
more um you know, a brainstorming exercise and an aspirational exercise to identify
what other things could the county possibly use that could be co located with the
new transfer station? Um And then once we completed that work, uh and consult with
the task force and the consultant, um we went out to the larger public with a survey,
we had 319 responses on that survey and they gave us feedback on that preliminary
work of the task or some staff and also some really good advice. Um Maybe the two
key takeaways from that survey was that um our customers would like an exceptional
level of service with a uh um an aspirational list of other services at the lowest
possible cost. So, and there in is the retention that staff manages daily.
Um And so, uh we also worked with the Climate Action Committee. Um And we developed
some metrics to try to measure the difference in inefficiency or conversely the greenhouse
gas emissions between the Washington Utilities and Transportation Commission, licensed
hauler. Um Currently waste connections versus self haw uh uh traffic as well and
got some really good information there. Um Just last week, uh Cindy Jane was kind
enough to even do some more analysis on that on that first brush, look at that. Um
and was able to tease out uh maybe a slightly better uh measure of those, of
those, those two user groups efficiency. Um by comparing diesel versus gasoline use.
Um So we'll have, we'll have some more information to present on that front to the
task force when we meet again. And then staff took a, a trip to Grays Harbor and
we looked at a relatively new rural transfer station to gain some inspiration and
we shared kind of a, a comparison of that facility with our current facilities uh
with the task force as well. We also finished traffic studies on four of the county
owned properties that are in consideration. And then lastly, the consultant led an
initial site screening um that reduced the within the study area over 9000 properties
down to 11 for further investigation. So that process used eight different screening
criteria to win that down and I'll show you the service or I'm sorry, the study area
is shown here in the blue hatch. Um And you can see the 11 candidate sites there.
The four county owned properties are uh colored uh red, green, blue and yellow at
the far at the lower right corner there, uh seven of those privately owned non-residential
properties.
And then it was exactly that moment that we kind of pushed pause with the work that
we were doing with the consultant and the task force staff uh had a growing realization
that the level of detail that we were that we were uh digging down to. And a lot
of the elements of this planning process were probably premature and, and best um
developed into further nuanced study further along in the process, particularly after
a uh preferred site was selected. So we got a little bit over our skis on this and
then recalibrated. Staff also realized that there was a lot of um local knowledge
that, that we really needed to apply to this process that we, that we really hadn't
invested into the process to date at that point. And so we moved into phase two,
staff directed work on the top of that. Um Our crack team of GIS
specialists of one Kevin was able to develop for us a mean population center so that
we can, as we're focused more on citing at this phase, um we could think about, you
know, the mean population center um particularly in, in light of our, one of our
guiding principles of service equity. Um And so as we consider different locations,
we could think about that relative to the mean population center. And you can see
that there are two shown here. One is just for the population north of highway 104
and then in purple and then uh in blue shows the mean population center for all of
uh the residents within our service area, East Jefferson County. Um So one is, you
know, north of 104 would be um in the Cala Point area and then the other one roughly
at the intersection of Center road and roadie Drive.
And then we took the, the screening criteria, there were eight criteria in the initial
screening process and staff modified that we wanted to just maybe tease out other
properties that somehow had been excluded from that uh initial screening criteria.
And so the study area had initially been based on the uh being east of the uh north
south access of the current facility and north of highway 101. And instead, we said,
well, let's think about bending that rule if you will a little bit to be close to
the current facilities, north south access and close to highway 104. And then the
other major modification to the initial selection criteria was that um whereas in
phase one, we'd excluded all residential parcels from within the study. And in this
phase, we said, well, let's take a look at that again and make sure we haven't missed
anything.
And so what, what started as an initial list of 11 sites from the first phase now
gained to, we gained a total of 26 sites and they're shown here and you'll notice
that by modifying that study area slightly that uh one parcel is wholly outside of
the initial study area and another slightly one half of it is outside of it.
Then we did fatal flaws screening. We wanted to apply both the original eight selection
criteria and then maybe what we could describe is a more nuanced or, or um local
knowledge based criteria as well, like with the impact to residents along uh uh a
corridor, a travel corridor be impacted by the additional, you know, up to 1000 trips
a day that the transfer station can generate. Um That otherwise would have slipped
through that initial criteria. Are there steep grades on the approach off of a main
arterial onto the site that somehow got, got missed in the uh initial criteria. So
we took a, a much more nuanced uh approach to it. We drove around and looked at sites
and so these are the sites that fell out from the fatal flaw screening. And then
we top one of those out.
Um Is that one of top like the, uh, is that the equestrian park in the very top?
I'm just, no, that is actually, that's the current facility. Yeah, that didn't, that
fell out of the mix. We, um, we took a really close look at that. Um It's far below
the, the minimum acreage that we needed. We've only got perhaps nine acres that are
developable outside of the footprint. We already made uh uh control. And, um, there
was a, there's major traffic revisions that would have to happen. It could mo most
likely it would necessitate um uh improvements to Gun Club Road and then the extension
of that road all the way into the site. Um And so for a host of reasons, one of them
being that there's already an 80 acre parcel south of that, that's des design or
zone presently zoned central public facility, solid waste that it just didn't, the,
the return on investment for that just wasn't there. And so that fell out. Thank
you for that. And when we meet with the al, does that mean that the existing site
is ruled out altogether or just that, that nine acre parcel? Uh no, the site in its
entirety, we would, we would, um, favor that, that comes off of our list of considerations.
It just, uh, the improvements that would need to be made to make that functional
just seem to really outweigh the, the benefit to maintaining that site there, particularly
with 80 acres of undeveloped property unencumbered with, uh, for example, the city's
leased area for the biosolids facility. It just makes a lot more sense to look. Uh,
what would it be southwest, um, on the other side of the fence and consider that
property instead the existing site. That, that's correct. Yeah, we would, we would
look at the 80 acres of undeveloped property of which we would only need, you know,
less than half of that to meet our 40 year service horizon. That's our target. Thank
you.
And then we contacted private property owners. Those are shown here. Um, uh, only
one of six property owners didn't respond to our inquiry on. Uh, we're just trying
to get a, a rough gauge of their enthusiasm for, um, a potential sale to the county.
Um, and those that the five of the six that did respond, uh essentially index their
level of enthusiasm to the offer price. Yeah. Yes. Mark.
Um, the large blue um, property at 104 and highway 19.
It looks like a bunch of that is county property, but it's listed as private. Uh,
so there's a, there's a small area within that you see almost a triangular shape
within that large blue area. That's the county owned property. That's the 3738 acres
of county owned property surrounding that is all rainier property. Ok. Thank you.
Mhm. Wasn't that ruled out? Um I thought that was one of the properties that was
eliminated in a previous slide. It was sort of eliminated. There were, there were
caveats placed on that. Um There's a couple of issues with slope on that. Um
If, if the, if the county owned property were seen to be favorable for further investigation,
that part of that investigation may be the purchase of a couple of acres of the rainier
property um for access for better access to that site. Um Those properties are encumbered
with some uh critical areas and wetlands. Um And even a stream tributary if, if I
remember, right, that might not be um, easily mitigated, shall we say?
Mhm.
And then what we did was we took 1818 criteria. Uh and we, we
compared all of those remaining properties across those 18 criteria. And from them,
we selected um four sites for further consideration and we spaced them across
the study area as well um out of a sense of equity
and those are the remaining sites as we found them.
And then we sent all of our work to the consultant for some peer review um and got
a critique back that said that our, our analysis was consistent with industry standard.
Um And then, and that they look favorably on the on the methodology that we had used.
So at that point, we had um the first screening um that was led by the consultant
using eight criteria that we know nine, a little bit more than 9000 sites down to
11. Then staff uh took another look at it. We modified the criteria, we went from
the initial 11 sites to 26 and then we further refined that list of four sites and
then not satisfied that we thought about this every way that we could, we took a
third look at it. And in this process, instead of thinking about individual
properties, we thought more holistically in terms of a north, central and south um
general area of study. And then we went all the way back to really the first, the
1st and 2nd meeting of this process with the task force. And we pulled the principle,
the guiding principles that I mentioned earlier out. The those that applied to citing
or that could be applied to citing um and then we use them as as performance criteria
for generalized locations throughout the service or throughout the study area.
And those guiding principles that we used were flexibility. You know, the site should
be nimble, it should change with uh the industry, other circumstances, it should
uh it should be equitable. Um drive time should be relatively the same across um
the user group and, but relative to population density, um environmental excellent
excellence, uh reducing the carbon footprint should be a key consideration. Um Consistency
with land development and, and land use requirements. Um It should incentivize public
private partnerships. Um It should incentivize or allow for the co location of other
county operations and it should, it should develop a high yield uh relative to investment.
And then we put this table together with those guiding principles at the top. There,
some uh some questions to prompt ourselves. And then of course, the north, central
and south locations and the grid pattern here.
And we took some high level planning tools and we shaded in that grid according to
uh a high medium and, and, and low level of performance based on those criteria.
Um This is a exercise that we will lead the task force uh through in real time.
Uh The next time we meet, which we hope to be in about two or three weeks. Um And
so for that reason, because staff doesn't want to influence their thinking at all.
We're gonna keep staff's um findings here under wraps until then. Um But the board
should feel free to use that grid and uh color it in or mark it up uh as you see,
fit at your leisure to think, think this through in the same terms that we're asking
the task force to. Um So what comes next? This is a, so we move into phase three,
this is how we're imagining our process will unfold now. Um So you can see at the
top there that first uh work task at the conclusion of this workshop, we've already
gained some momentum here on this and can mark that down as complete. Uh And then
sometime in September, we'll reconvene the task force. Uh The Solid Waste Advisory
Committee has inquired often about this process and so we'll invite them as observers.
Um We'll reviews, we'll review in much more detail, the prior work that we had done
in phase one and then all the work that staff is completed in phase two, there's
also some, some additional studies, um some meetings that we've had with other stakeholders
and information we've gotten back from them. Um And, and so we'll bring, we'll, we'll
make the task force aware of that additional work. Um And then finally, we'll lead
them through the regional site selection exercise that I just showed. So hopefully
at the end of that, we, we will have identified collectively a region uh or general
area that should um, should see more focus study. And then we'll move that work
into a larger public view with an open house and we'll, we'll lead that group through
the same process as well. Um Perhaps we'll arrive at a general agreement on uh on
a general area to focus on more. Um And then following that will bring feedback from
that open house back to the task force. Um The preferred site analysis will have
been developed a probable cause and a conceptual design as well. And then the outcome
of that meeting, we hope to be an agreement on moving a recommendation back to the
board of county commissioners um on, on essentially which single site to focus more
on. Um And then, and then once we're, once we've wrapped all that work up, then we'll
um we hope to do a joint uh Bocc and City Council meeting, uh bring City council
into the loop as well um And review all of the, all of the uh co ordinated work with
them as well. Um One clarifying question now, certainly. Um So it looks like we're
first going to select the general location without even without having an a, a preferred
specific site. Is that accurate? I mean, we're just kind of filtering it down. Am
I understanding that correctly? That's correct. Yeah. Yeah, I like, yeah, we wanna
think more broadly. I think it's, I mean, we staff found it to be really useful in
just applying those guiding principles to it and pulling back kind of from the, from
the more, um, you know, site specific focus that we had before. I think it's pretty
illuminating and I'm, I'm, I'm certain that uh that the task force will find it to
be as well. It looks great. Thank you. Yeah. And then so in between some of these
meetings, you know, we've got a lot of work to do with the consultant, um conceptual
design, probable cost. And then of course, there's gonna be a bit of a lag time when
we move into uh planning for the uh funding strategy that's gonna require public
works to uh bring on another consultant with the expertise in developing a funding
strategy for that. And that will look at a number of different ways to fund uh the
ac either the acquisition and, or the uh development of that site um to get an operation
ready. Um And those could include, you know, obviously the tipping fee will be one
of them. Uh We'll also look at a solid waste district. Um It's something that uh
Kitsap County has looked at before. And so we may be able to uh use some of their
work to kind of springboard off of. And then, and then perhaps a a hybridized model
where uh operating and maintenance costs are paid for out of the tipping fee, whereas
capital costs are paid for out of a district um which as I understand, it isn't anything
that any county has looked at before. So we'd be kind of pioneering that work. Um
So that's where we stand today. Hopefully, we will be meeting with the task force
within the next two or three weeks and we can kick start that collaboration again
when we're really anxious to get there. We know it's taken a good bit of time, you
know, any staff led process like this has to occasionally um uh be put on pause while
we tend to brush fires and whatnot. But um we've, we've moved at a, at a steady pace.
We certainly haven't lost sight of the process. We've just, you know, it's been an
an iterative process. Any other questions? Mm Wouldn't
the um Well, I mean, we have to go through the process, but it seems logical based
on the slide you showed early in your presentation today, showing the little purple
icon and the blue icon of the central location in terms of equity, right? It just
seems like anyway, we got to put everything in district two now
right over my house. Look like one of those icons goes right on top of my house.
Anyway. Um No, I just, our neighbors will love it and they won.
And one of the challenges of putting it where the population center is, is the, you
know, uh issue of, of trying to cite a new facility, which I just know that there
is likely to be some, um, concern about and, um, so,
yeah, but, yeah, no, appreciate the good work. It's, it's hard to not want to just
dive into the, you know, the, the four that were narrowed down. And, um, but I, I
will, you know, look forward to seeing the process unfold some more. How might other
things we're considering how, like the roll cart program and stuff like that impact
potential sighting of a facility? Mm, probably that element of our program probably
not so much. Um The ideally actually um having a recycling
facility closer to the 104 corridor um makes a lot of sense in terms of greenhouse
gas emission reduction. And then of course, um it, it certainly would encourage um
collaboration between at least Clallam County and perhaps Kitsap County as well um
in a shared facility there. Mhm. I guess when you flip through the criteria pretty
quickly. And um so I, I'm not sure if I saw this but is there um
like is there consideration of, and I know in general this is, you know, operating
policies also address this but, you know, kind of how, how we encourage folks to
be producing less garbage and I'm not sure if there is a nexus there between location
of the transfer facility and um and, and how much people produce um South haulers.
Maybe there's some, I mean, like Grays Harbor County where they studied, this is
probably a good, uh, case study. I don't, do you have any information about that?
Al they pretty much, they closed all but one transfer station in Grays Harbor County
and made it more inaccessible to, to South Hall. Is, am I correct in that? That's,
that's right. And if you look at county by county and also statewide data on per
capita annual, uh, production of municipal solid waste over a 20 year span and, and
we've measured it um over 20 years. Um There's not a lot of variation there. Um It
doesn't seem that convenience or conversely inconvenience of disposal options influences
the amount of waste we create on a per capita basis. Um And I think in Jefferson
County, it's varied by less than 1% over 20 years. Um And the,
or I I stand corrected, I think it was three or 3.5% in the, in the
major market correction in 2008 and nine. Um And that's the only time we've really
seen any major influence on the per capita generation of municipal solid ways, which
is, which is not to say that we recommend a recession,
but it, it, it, it, it definitely influence location, definitely influences um your,
your self all rate, you know, as a, as a percentage of your customer base. And that,
and that is exactly as, as Greg mentioned, why um uh what Grays Harbor had in mind.
Um So they're operating a facility on relatively the same footprint we're occupying
about 7.5 acres. Whereas their site is 10, um, they're doing 77,000
tons a year to our 24,000 and their peak season, uh, um, daily
c hall customer count is 100 compared to our 450. So, they're, they're operating
that facility at three times the tonnage with one FTE less than us. Um, yeah.
And, um, is there any way of knowing that, um, per capita waste of cell calls
versus, um, how do you refer to people who get curbside?
Huh. Uh, that's interesting. You know, I've never thought of it that way. Um, I
think there is, I think we could, I think we could pull that data to look at that
comparison. That's interesting. Thank you for that. We'll take a look at that,
you know, a lot of self haulers. It's, um, construction waste. The only time I go
to the transfer station is when I'm remodeling something or building something. And
which is hard to compare to, uh, municipal solid waste. I mean, you know, just kind
of daily, weekly, monthly garbage generation. I think so. I don't know how,
I don't know what you can do with that data necessarily. We, we, maybe it, it wouldn't,
yeah, it would, it would be imprecise, but we could try because we're, we're separating
maybe 85 or 90% of the construction and demolition debris. Now, uh, from what goes
on the tipping floor, we could pull that out of the data set to try to get a better
number. It'd be fuzzy. But, um, but it'd be interesting to take a look at.
Well, I'll just say I really appreciate the approach al and I know people are eager
for this to move forward, but it's, it's nice to see that it has been methodically
as you're saying, when there's not brush fires moving forward. And I, I really appreciate
the, the, the refocusing and reframing of the, of the, of the process. Thank you.
It sounds like it's going better with the this new consultant. Yeah, we, we were
able to retain the sub consultant um from the original agreement. Um Actually three
of them. Um So the architect, the uh public facilitator and also uh the prime is
now petite. Um and their, their organization focuses on citing of difficult, difficult
to cite facilities like this. Um So, yeah, it's uh I think our focus is, is
appropriate now, right?
It's good. Um Going back to what Commissioner Eisenhower said, I mean, the the the
population Centroid is kind of centered on Chimica, which is not surprising. Um And
if our county was blessed with flat dry properties in that
area, it might make this process easier. But is anyone who's driven around nose is
once you get to Chimi in South, you're either faced with a mountain or a swamp and
it uh you know, and certainly one of the criteria is not locating a
facility in the middle of a residential neighborhood ever. And either, which is,
you know, mostly all the good land has been developed that way. So it, it, it does
make it, uh a little more challenging to, um, you know, to do this process. I mean,
you wanna be located off of a, a main arterial and um, the fact that all of our solid
waste is hauled to the south across the Hood canal bridge on its way to Tacoma and
then eastern Washington also skews the way you would look at where a facility should
be cited in relation to the Centroid of, of population. So, uh but you know, that
areas from Chimi South is not loaded with readily obvious sites.
So, um I do think that stepping back and thinking about this from a north central
south perspective, which al is doing is better so that people don't including
ourselves, don't immediately get bogged down with the kind of detail like I was just
talking about. Um But uh you know, I think if there was a big 40 acre flat gravelly
site in the Chicca area, not surrounded by homes, we would have already bought it
if it existed. Um But it just doesn't, so not an easy um, project to lead
everyone through and I was doing, you know, a great job with this. Um But he has
faced a lot of uh, brush fires, but in the last six months with uh just
operations and staffing. So that's been a big reason for the, you know, the pause
that occurred here. But, um, really, I really appreciate the way al uh, looks at,
uh, this, this problem and this, this project.
Me too.
You're saying we don't know if we have a pee patch on the new transfer station yet.
That was one of the uh ideas ended up on the, on the blue sky document, a pea patch
on the new transfer or the old transfer station we can do with the old one. It's
almost clean, right? How many more years on that? Uh the old landfill with the testing?
Ohh, we're, we're so close right now. Um On the Department of Ecology has indicated
that they're looking favorably at the data that we've produced. And uh in fact, they
asked us to go back to the data and, and, and analyze it slightly differently. Uh
that would show even better results than we had previously. So I think we're fingers
crossed. We're really close to getting there. Yeah. Another area where owls really
uh doing a great job. This is not something that is done regularly. So,
uh kind of tread new ground there uh regarding the old site, I, I think too, um while
the new site should be big enough to accommodate many future uses, some may be even
unknown at this time. So we don't want to lock ourselves in. I I think a very likely
scenario is that the old site continues to be the City Run Yard Ways program and
potentially the site for, um, at least in the foreseeable future for a recycling
contractor to operate out of. Um, so those those uses may not have to be accommodated
in our solid waste transfer station site immediately. But we should certainly pick
a site that has room for the expansion for that kind of stuff in the, in the future.
But it seems like the old site is going to retain its utility for some of these uses
for the foreseeable future.
Right. Well, al it sounds like you deserve a vacation. Yeah, take a vacation.
I will do that. You will see my taillights after this meeting. Good hope you enjoy
and relax and um, thanks for the update and we look forward to hearing more. All
right. Thank you all. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Thanks Monty.
My agenda. There's nothing else on the agenda. Look at that. Wow, someone must be
here, right. That's the time for vacation.
Um Do you have anything else to cover today?
Um I did confirm that there is not a meeting in the evening of, of IC G meeting
on August 29th. 0, great with Carolyn. Thank you. Wondered about that. There will
be a special IC G. It looks like Oc October. Now we have a regularly scheduled one
for September, I think 19, there was a one in September, uh but they want also a
special speaker series in October, right?
That um I do um uh want to just give you some forewarning. I may have mentioned this
before, but um um the pump track, the fairgrounds um will need some sort of um
uh site control and 10 year document for the RCO grants that they're applying for.
So, um hoping we get some information on that. Well, in advance to get through legal,
it sounds like they're suggesting an mou um and again, this is because the, the Fairgrounds
lease or operating agreement is not very long term. So, um this would be, you know,
for the life of the contract basically that we ensure that, that, that um they can
maintain control. Yes. So, um that's something that I might be bringing forward on
relatively short notice to try to finish, but we're waiting on language from RCO
run through was telling me that um yeah, the thematics at the P me. Yeah, it
looks good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They managed to um fit. The first design was,
you know, the, the designers took basically everybody's wish list and incorporated
it and it was massive. Um And we said we not sure we want to dedicate that much space.
So they cut it back, but included like a good 80% of the elements in that much smaller
footprint. So it's more condensed and Um, but it's, it's nice to see how, how many
elements you can fit in a small space. And so fingers crossed out the funding. Although
of course, they're competing with a number of other Jefferson County projects so
the county favorable still fit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's really just a small portion
of basically it was parking yesterday. Um, so it's within the fenced area which used
to be a race track. Um, just at the kind of.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think with any events that we have camping there this year
with that thing, even the, I'm not sure if the canoe fest camp there or canoe journey.
Um, but there's still a lot of space for camping. Well, yes, they are well named
for, they call it PT pump track and then I thought they were going to expand it to
say, I don't know, I think it should be called pumped up, pumped
up, kicks, pumped up. No, that's, I'm not sure that's so I just so happen to have
the fair grounds up on my computer here. So, can you orient where we go?
Basically this area? Yeah. Yeah. And you can fit a lot in there. I can't, I feel
like the, the, the first design included all of this and they said no, let's bump
it up. Um, because maybe some compatibility with other uses of the phonetic sculpture
race ends there too. Right. That's a big part, big landing Yeah, I gotta keep the
mustache.
Hm. But a lot will fit in there. Surprising. Yeah.
Um, anything else? No, we get lots of stuff to work on. Happy to wrap. Ok. Garage
sale. Work on you in a garage sale. Irondale. Irondale Community garage sale. Oh,
nice this weekend. Putting up tables in front of mom's house. Excellent. People are
still buying stuff. Huh? Yes, I feel like I like, you know, it didn't mention the
purge of COVID, right. Got rid of a lot of stuff. Um, you're still on, I'm still
in purge mode, but maybe that's because my kids are leaving
as well. If you have anything you want to put on the, on my table. Let me know. Ok,
thank you.
Ok. Um, then we are joined and see you next Monday, next Monday.