Is there any online A was there? Right. No, a A was just to make sure that.
Ok. You know, we're not gonna do this, are we? Um, well, what I would love to do,
we have the, the quick, why don't I call the order and we'll, we can go, go through
it. We can't deviate from the agenda that we can abbreviate. Um, I guess, go ahead
and report. We can certainly in general. Yes, we have to get the whole. Oh.
Right. Right. Ok. Uh, good evening. I will call this special meeting of the board
of county commissioners to order. Uh, it is, uh, we're at the tri area community
centers today and, you know, with our third community conversation and apparently
we're doing everything right, because, you know, we have half as many people as we
did at the last meeting with one member of the public with us today. Uh, so we'll
probably, unless, uh, folks come, uh, surging and I, I saw a car pulling up and no,
just a treasure. Um, so, uh, we've got at least one update that I
certainly want to see a little later in the agenda. But we might abbreviate some
of this agenda out of respect for everyone's time because we got, we got a lot of,
we're joined by, uh, most, most of our electives and many directors. I think every
department is represented. Our treasurer has joined us and a member of the public.
Chuck take, take off your bad.
And, uh,
yeah, uh, so I will, uh, I just wanna make
sure my system works here. So we've got a presentation. Mark mccauley is out of town
today. He usually does our, our kind of state of the county, so everyone here is
pretty much seen it once or twice already. Um,
we have one member of the public online. Oh, there is one member. I'm like, yeah,
there's no. Ok. So say if you're the only member of the public, maybe we'd say you
want to leave
and yes, but if there's someone driving, I actually like the idea that the beginning
asking people what their highest interest topics are because then I can kind of address
it when we go around. Oh, I think that's a, a great idea. I don't know, uh, Frank
as part of introductions. What are, what are you most interested in, in, in learning
about today?
I,
ok, great. I, I'm really interested in learning about the sewer as well. I, you know,
seems like most of the crowd is, is into that. So, uh, sure Cathy Online. We,
we loved it. We've got very low attendance today. So, we're, we're customizing, it's
a bespoke community conversation. So, what are you interested in, in hearing about?
We have one presentation about the sewer. You, if you like, you can unmute and tell
us what you're interested in, in learning about or commenting on today, I'll make
it so that, um, she can chat.
Mhm.
She'll be able to speak if she'd like, but she doesn't have to.
Ok. Well, we'll, we'll move on. Um, and as far as the Jefferson County update, you
know, we're, we're doing great. Uh, you know, there's, we're actually only down,
I believe 10 staff right now. So we are at, at some of our best, uh, staffing in
quite a few years since the beginning of COVID. And, um, I have a, a slide show that
everyone here has seen once or twice. So I would encourage anyone that wants to get
a deeper dive into how Jefferson County is doing to go back and look at our, our
previously reported presentation of the slide show and we're just gonna move ahead
right now and, and go straight to what everyone is here for, which is the, the, the
sewer update. And, uh, I'm gonna share my screen.
All right, Bravo. And do you wanna use the, the clicker? You can just forward? Right.
So, I think,
I mean, let me trouble real quick. Uh, I don't know if there's something going on.
Right. That's the member. Probably know you use the,
or you could advance the first. I'm happy to, it doesn't work now though. Maybe we'll
stand up and just, uh,
you don't need the,
the camera.
Ok. Yeah. Um, well, hopefully this isn't too long, we can blaze through it.
But once, once you get public works, people talking about their projects, it's hard
to get them.
All right.
So, as, you know, uh Monty, public works director and county engineer and I'm joined
by Samantha Harper, our new um waste water project. Very excited to have Samantha
working for us. If we didn't, I don't know what we'd be doing since this project
is now entered the construction phase after 18 years of dreaming about it. Uh It's
a large project, um 30 plus million dollars which we have uh from various brand
sources, but the project is broken up into multiple parts. We're tired of using more
phase because we have phases within phases and it gets very confusing. So what we're,
what we started with is the uh earthwork for the sewer. It's a small portion of the
sewer about a million and a half dollars. Um that will get the site ready for the
wastewater treatment plant and other phases. But I'm kind of jumping ahead in the
presentation. So, um, but it is under construction. Very exciting and we'll have
pictures. So, uh I'm going to present the first few slides and then Samantha will
do a series of slides and then I will finish this off. So if we want to advance to
the second slide, uh a little hard to see on screen, but this is support Halog lights.
Um Yeah, lights, that might help.
What better?
So we have two maps depicting the same area, but this dream boundary is the
phase one, the initial sewer service area. So that's the school, that's QFC,
that's the waterfront where the wooden boat uh school is, this is road down to
the ready mix plant and the sheriff's facilities here. So that kind of orients you.
The sewer treatment plant, wastewater treatment plant will be here on property. The
county bought from the Lomans in 2012. And so all of the
waste, the sewage will be brought to this point where it will be treated and then
class a reclaimed waste. It's not called wastewater after it's class a, it's called
reclaimed water. It's not drinkable, but just about um you can use it for irrigation
and things like that. Although we aren't doing that initially goes to this rapid
rate infiltration site where um it's called a pond, but it really won't have any
water in it because it'll infiltrate so fast, which will supplement the groundwater
under Chian Creek which runs through this area. Uh This is all permitted by the Department
of Ecology. So that's the map. This is the same map but it shows the zoning uh
after sewer is available, which is what this project is about, the project is about
a couple of things. One is um uh getting people off of old um and sometimes failing
septic system. But really, it's an urban growth area which when sewer is available,
the zoning uh changes and allows a lot more uses or density. So the red areas are
urban commercial and you can see the boundary kind of follows the urban commercial
boundary. There's some light industrial down here. These are course county facilities,
school, library or public facilities and then this is the airstrip that habitat for
humanity and partners have purchased for uh a dense housing projects. Um
Under the current zoning, it's one per five acres. So they could get about three
houses on that under the zoning with sewer, they can get about up to 200 units on
that 18 acre parcel and they've talked about anywhere from 100 and 20 to 200 units.
So it'll be uh a range of housing, potentially teachers and others who
live in this facility, but not possible without consumers. So that's what this project
is about. Uh If you'd like to advance to the next slide, that'd be great. Basic elements
of a sewer system starting at a house or business. There's a building drain which
currently goes to a, hey Monty take this. It's got a point or two does it? It's got
a pointer that the top buttons are laser and then it just right to go forward or
left to go back. Great. Awesome. So, uh currently a building drain goes to a septic
tank and then to a drain field. Now, that same building drain will be connected to
a grinder, Pope which then pumps uh effluent. There's a valve and stuff here at the
curb through a series of pipes uh in the streets. And because this is a pressure
sewer system more on that later, the pipes don't have to go downhill and they can
be shallower like 4 ft or even 3 ft. So a lot less expensive to build all the way
to a wastewater treatment plant more on that later treated and then to the rapid
rate infiltration uh site that I told you about. So,
um, pack line, the county will own and operate everything from that line over and
this control panel. Uh So even the grinder pump on the private property will, you
know, it's not, it'll be maintained by county or potentially pud through agreement
uh staff. But if nasty things go down on the personally owned side and, and destroy
the grand. If so, the cost to maintain those will be born in the monthly sewer bill.
But if someone abuses these systems by dumping rags, diapers and rocks
down it, they could be assessed to charge or damaging the grinder pump. But if they're
not abused, they can last a long time. They've, so they got grinder pumps. Yes. So
every house, yes. Every house business will have a grinder pump and, and a typical
simple grinder pump is for a single family resident. Uh, but you can have, um, up
to what they call quads which have four pumps in them for a really high, like the
laundromat might, it will have a quad pump. The laundromat's equivalent to 30 houses.
How much oil coming out of that on a daily basis. So, um, that's kind of how that
works. Uh The wastewater treatment plant which we've already purchased. Uh
It's the guts of it. It comes on a truck. It's premanufactured in Texas. It's a state
of the art membrane bio reactor plant that can produce class a waste water which
is the highest level you can produce. Um basically, it's a bio membrane bio
reactor. So there's biological processes happening within this and then it's being
pushed through these ceramic membranes filters and then there's UV lights for this
disinfection at the end. And that uh all creates uh class a uh water which you know,
this is off the Department of Ecology side here. I mean, reclaimed water basically
looks like water. Um At 24,000 gallons a day is the flow will have its hope to have
it start up. But this has our initial one has capacity for up to 72,000 gallons per
day. So a lot of capacity to expand. We can also add a digital of these in the future.
Uh Bio solids what's left over will be trucked to Port Townsend uh
composting facility just like the biosolids out of port towns and through agreement
with the city of Port Townsend.
This is a couple days ago. This is off Lopeman road, there's Lopeman road there.
This is where the infiltration site or pond if you will, is being constructed right
now. Uh
looks like the Sahara desert. It's uh see in construction, local contractor got this
uh contract and they're doing a great job and gave us a really favorable bid for
this work. Um I mentioned at startup, we hope to do 24,000 gallons a day with the
initial customers. That's about what 20,000 gallons looks like right there. Not a
huge amount of water. Uh You spread that across this acre and a half pond.
You're talking about a half inch deep, which it's gonna disappear into the ground
faster than that. So that's why I say I expect to see a dry pond the time, but that
pond is being sized for a lot of capacity. I mean, past the 72 hour. Oh, yeah. Uh
Yeah, well, above that, I mean, hundreds of thousands of gallons potentially.
Yes. After it goes through the, the plant just sign here. Um I mean,
to answer that, um, this will be a um, welded together ht pressure sewer and blood
pressure sewer. So we won't have any of the combined going into the city of towns
and have combined sewers for water or just in, from b type of and things of that
nature that won't be part of the system. It would just be sewage and whatever it
falls from this time. Well, the rain will certainly go into that. Yeah. Yeah, a lot
of sewers, I mean, won't have any. No, it's basically almost drinking quality water.
There will be odor control at the waste water treatment plant, uh, system that pulls
the gasses off and uh controls odors out of the plant. Uh Because when you pump
sewage through these lines and then it suddenly gets oxygen at the plant, that's
where you can get over it as the
and I would suspect that
desert landscape pond that would go away and then would be uh gradually, there'd
be more and more water. But I I the the infiltration oops sorry, the infiltration
rate. But the, but the soils here is so high that it's gonna, you know, there's a
pond off the end of the runway, that's a stormwater pond that you almost never see
water in. That's kind of what I expect this one to, to act like. Um we did 10 years
ago, hundreds of thousands of dollars of geotechnical and um neurological modeling
and studies of this site. They modeled it up to 700,000 gallons a day uh before they
started seeing a groundwater mounding issue. Um uh So, uh anyway, it's, it's been
uh thoroughly investigated for Sure. Um,
I guess while I'm on this, the, the part that the current contractor is currently
doing besides of this pond, they're, they're doing the grading at the wastewater
treatment plant site itself. The road that goes into it, the main sewer in influence
lines coming from the highway about where the library is into the wastewater treatment
plant and the main line coming out of the wastewater treatment plant area to this
uh site. And that's the slightly over a million dollar contract we have going right
now, um,
if we want to watch these videos, we can, um, they're a couple three minutes each.
They're, they do a better job explaining sewer than I can probably. And they're a
little more entertaining
public. Right. And see if these work, if not, it's not essential to the presentation
problem.
Are you, is there gonna be a big out here
is that there will be over the waste water treatment plant equipment. It originally
was gonna sit open air. But as we required adequate funding for this project, we
were able to add a canopy over it. That will essentially be a roof like at the transfer
station at some 8 ft walls. And then a big, you can't fully enclose it without spending
a lot of money on air handling. So it will be open air on the sides, but it'll protect
it. There will be a small administration building for a worker at the sewer plant
and there'll be some storage, uh, buildings for uh, parts and
kind of loads of things like that. Um
What happened in 1984 was we started having trouble with septic tanks. They found
out that they wasn't parking, so they had per tests done throughout the city and
found out that the city was just saturated at the time and they told us they were
going to issue no more building permits in Bloomingdale until we found something
a different way to get rid of the sewage. So the city looked into gravity flow and
they looked into low pressure sewer and the more we looked into low pressure sewer,
the better we liked it over the gravity. And so we went with the low pressure sewer
system in 1984. I come to work for the city of Bloomingdale in 1989 we had roughly
about 700 grinder pumps at the time. We're up to over 1000 pumps that we have in
the ground. Now, one of the advantages of the all terrain sewer is the depth of the
mains is what we found really the deepest main we have in Bloomingdale here is not
but 3 ft deep. So whenever you're out here doing the, doing the installs yourself
and you're tapping the mains and running laterals. Um, you know, a 3 ft hole is nothing
to dig out here. A lot of the gravity out here. They're 15 20 ft deep. My first impression
when I first started with the city of Bloomingdale and I looked at a grinder pump.
My first impression was what was I thinking? You know, I mean, you look at these
things and you just think they're going to be horrible to work on. You have no idea
what to do. But I will say after I started here, we called the factory and the factory
actually sent a representative down. He showed us how to work on grinder pumps. He
was here two days and he showed me how to work on the pumps. They're, they're that
easy to work on was has a strict focus on service. That's what their company was
built on their logo. Wasco was derived from the words water and soar controls. But
when I looked at was I saw a different meaning which was we're a service company
of notoriety. The was relationship with the one is fantastic. We work very close
with, with their sales people, with their engineering groups and the turnaround of
information for projects from a one is just, it's just unbelievable how quick and
how much they can help you at no cost to the customer. And I think that's one of
the primary primary reasons that, that we uh we can talk to our customers and say,
look, we can help you and we can have your answers by tomorrow. I have two guys that's
on call all the time um during business hours from 8 to 4 30. I got one guy that
works on the pumps and I said, we have over 1000 pumps in the ground. I wouldn't
have believed it when I first started, I wouldn't have believed you could run 1000
pumps with two guys. I was thinking it was going to take a full crew to do everything.
But like I said, once we got into the pumps and we found out just how easy they were
and how efficient they work. You could really do it with just one person. So, I mean,
we'll go months and not have a call. We're going through a phase now where we're
trying to swap out the old ones. I still have pumps in the ground that were put in
in 84 that are actually still working today.
So the craziest thing we ever found working on it, we found a screwdriver, we found
a screwdriver in one and they had, they pulled it out and kept working after that.
So, uh a little bit of a sales pitch but those E one pumps uh are good. There was
another two minute video that describes pressure. I don't know if you could find
that when I, I can't see the top of my screen, did you know there is a clinically
proven method to improve hearing and
as long as we're here, yeah, I know we're kind of cutting up trying to do videos
on youtube in the middle of a zoom meeting. But, uh,
you know, I kind of appreciate Greg trying to work through this, maximize it here.
I'm Bruce Giles. I'm the general manager of first utility district in Knox County,
working for municipality. And then I went to that one. Gets kind of long. How about
this one right here? Yeah.
Hello and welcome. Hello and welcome to E One's live webinar series on the design
and performance of pressure sewer systems. We'll be covering part one in our two
part series for the next hour. We'll get there with a presentation entitled. Yeah,
you know, that's fine. All right, we'll bring your presentation back up. Ok, thank
you, Craig. Uh The other video just described again, some of the stuff that was in
the first video, which is essentially you're using these grinder pumps to push sewage
affluent towards the wastewater treatment plant. Uh It doesn't have to be uh downhill
in uh deep sewers and stuff. So it, it saves a lot of uh money which we were trying
to do to get this uh project off the ground. Um
I think this is where Sam, you were gonna take it over. Um, and if you go home tonight
and you look up sewers on youtube, you can find some really nice stuff.
I mean, are you, are you gonna put a fence around the, the whole plant and
there'll be a fence around the pond and then there'll be a fence around the treatment
plant when it's not,
we're gonna use the same style fence that the city of town around their way around
their water treatment plant. It's a
no fence. Go ahead. Get out of the way here. So, um, we're gonna talk a little bit
more about Grainer pumps and then we're gonna get a couple of frequently asked questions
without a lot of people would be here who want to hook up to sewers, concentrate
on, on site cart. Um The red is the, is, it is. Um So again, this is um,
the drain that comes out, this is a typical detail of a grinder pump situation. Um
And just as Monty said, it goes from a control panel and we need 240 volts in a 30
amp circuit. And that's been the tricky part on this project so far as figuring out
how to wire everybody's um panel to accept the grinder pump. Um So, um this project
or project green or phase four or phase b, um, depending on what you wanna
call it. Um We um is the on site portion of the project. Um After we do the
grading part that Seaon is doing currently, we are gonna bid the wastewater treatment
plant and the collection system them. And then the last phase is to bid the on-site
work. So we can actually get sewage coming to the treatment plant itself. And the
hard, the hardest part with this project is not only connecting all of our high water
users first, but all of the, the timeline for everything needs to come together at
the same time for four projects. So that's the tricky part for this one. Um But just
what you're seeing here is like clean out detail. We're gonna, the building drain
comes by gravity and then we will cap or plug somewhere in this range where it goes
out to the septic tank and then to the leech field. Um The decommission of the septics
would be part of the on site work and then it would go into the grinder pump. Um
This would look similar to what people look at for the water meter boxes. It's a
very similar control. There were the on-site contractor would connect to this device
and then that would go into the, the pressure pressure sewer system.
So as I said, um, this is not anybody's example here. We found this on the internet.
Um So the grinder pumps and how we connect them by. Um, the electrical part has been
the tricky part for us. And so we're learning as we're going here, the grinder pumps,
they do need a dedicated service. It's a 3 40 30 amp for residential. That's for
that one simple or single pump that you need. And so we, our message to property
owners is we are best in them to bring, bring the power to us so that we can connect
to it and to try to make it as simple as possible.
Oh, we've received questions about how much electricity cost these will be, um,
a few dollars a month. Uh because while they draw a lot of power when they're running,
they don't run that off. So, cup of coffee a month for a typical residential uh
service. But money for a lot of the homes, they're remax, I would say a 200 a service.
So they would have to upgrade or if they put another, if we're looking at a way that,
that we can provide assistance for that. The problem is we don't have enough people
to go around figuring out everyone's panel and some of the property owners don't
want us in their panel. They'd rather hire their own electrician to get that upgraded
and they want to do other upgrades while they're at it. Uh Some of the property owners
we've talked to are like, you're bringing me sewer at your cost. I'll take care of
the power because that's a heck of a deal. Um But as Sam said, we're, we're learning
as we go, but the, the electrical panels, some of them are maxed out. Some of them
aren't code. You know, there's just we find all kinds of things in there, you know,
so there are little mini projects within themselves. Um So as a so we are breaking
this, this is a very broad breakdown of our project schedule. Um As monkey mentioned,
we've already procured the membrane bio reactor from, it's hard to say quickly. We
are doing the site currently with sea and construction. Um The wastewater treatment
plant will be the next phase, actually, phase 34 and five, we're gonna do them all
together just to make it even more fun down in the Port Havelock area. So the treatment
plant will go first and that as Monty mentioned will be the buildings, the Admin
Park, um, bringing in the vivo unit and grading and paving the site and then connecting
to the work that Seaon did is doing currently the low pressure sewer system, if you
all remember the map from before. So going from the library down to the Kley Center
from Masonic Hall all the way down to the sheriff's office, we're putting a collection
system in that whole area of Park Havelock and then the phase four, we're gonna break
out the on site portions into about 25 to 30 units at a time so that we, we're gonna
start with our highest flow users and then work our way down until, um, we can, we're,
we're trying, our goal is to get as many people who want to hook up hooked up as
our goal. And so that puts us, we're hoping to be where I guess what we're telling
the public we're gonna be done in 2025 with our initials and the treatment plans
up and running and then we'll be phasing some of the on-site portions in as the treatment
plan comes up and running. So that will be a couple of years out.
And so this is our funding um that we received that Monty Monty mentioned earlier,
we had um American Rescue Plan Act funds and then we got a big push with the $20
million from Ringer's office, which is um Commerce is our funding agency that we
um converse with for the that portions of the money. Um We have money here from Murray
and Kilmer's office. And that funding agency that we're dealing with is EPA for that.
And then ecology rounds it out with the grant and loan um combo that have $35.6 million
and then who is required to.
So, so it appears to reduce the cost that you think, what, what is the cost
or a home room for a residence? We're, that's actually a question that's gonna come
up here in a slide. Oh, yeah,
that is a good question. I wanna read the questions. They behind the Oh, no, they're
right there. Ok. Yeah. And so it's who is required to connect is um, one of the questions,
um, we are internally, we're working on the sewer ordinance and um, it will be presented
to the Bocc this fall is our hope. Um, commercial non residential, over 4000 gallons
of water usage per month are required to connect multifamily um housing is required
all new developments um that comes into the phase one area will be required. Um if
somebody septics fails and then non new expanding septic systems will be allowed
in the super area, no new or expanding systems won't be allowed. And then in the
phase one area for existing homes, it's an optional connection for them. There are
a few um single family residents in the area if you clarify no new or expanded subject
systems there. No. So the second from bottom, I don't want that. So once the um facility
is built in the phase one area and a vacant somebody on a vacant lot comes in and
they will not be allowed to build the septic system. It will be required. We're proposing
to have it required and pick up to the sewer. Is there any other questions on this
part?
And then how much will a sewer cost? Um So the initial connections, um, as we have
talked about, we are doing our best to have to put in as many of the connections
as we can with the grants that we have currently and the property owners will re,
we're, we're wanting them to be responsible for the power part that we went over
a little bit sooner. The 240 volts with the 30 amp circuit. Um, and then since we
need, we're shooting for 24,000 gallons for our initial startup of the plant. And
that puts us around 25 to 30 residentials of our highest water users. So they're
gonna be our first ones that we're installing um with the treatment plant and the
collection system. And then as, as the, as we get those, that batch of not right,
that property is connected, then we'll continue to move down the basement area until
we run out of phones basically. So, and then in the future, this is maybe answered
your question in the future. What we've heard when you build, um, a septic system
is between 20 $25,000 for a property. And that's roughly what it would cost to connect
to install the grinder pump connect. Um So it would be about the same cost if that's
helpful. But just to summarize all of that, um, the existing users in the
phase one service area, the initial service area, we're aiming to connect most of
them until our grant funding runs out. And we think we have enough to be most, most
of the existing customers in there uh at the cost of the grant. So the property owner
won't have to pay anything with possible exception of getting their power uh, service
upgraded. Um So pretty good deal. You will find that
not anywhere else, you know, once uh sewer in, we've got the, the, the existing customers
hooked up as many as we can with the grant funds in the future. If someone wants
to build a new home or, or business, then they're gonna have to pay the cost of,
you know, have the contractor come in and install the grinder pump which could cost
them in that, in that range or, or more if it's a large commercial uh business. But
the answer to how much it costs an existing uh customer today. Zero. So the question
I got after one of our meetings at the library is one of the folks who attended was,
when will we know how far down the list we're gonna get? Like, are we gonna actually
be able to make a list and then tell people? Yes, yes. But I would say the answer
to that question is a year from now and we're gonna know a lot more once we fit out
those substantial portions of this project, how much money is remaining. But um we're,
we're being cautious because we don't, we'd rather underpromise and overliver, but
our funny picture looks pretty good right now. Let's put it that way. Um We got an
exceptional bid on our first contract that we let out. So that certainly frees up
money for future phases. But it's been a dynamic bidding climate the last few years.
And when we get into assembling waste water treatment plan and the buildings and
stuff that's work that we don't get involved in very often. So it's hard to, we have
estimates and we think our estimates are good, but maybe we'll maybe we'll do better
than ours. Hopefully, we don't get surprised to find out that we were a little better,
but we'll know a lot more after we let those kids towards the end of this year, how
far our remaining funds are gonna go? But I, I think it's super pretty positive and
just don't wanna be,
we wanna be, do you have a question from the public? Um Liz says to clarify, it
would be about the same cost. But what would be the monthly cost about this to utilize
this in my system? That's coming up? Uh Great question. I think that's uh that is
our next question that I
answer. Thank you, Liz. How much will se sewer sewer service cost per month?
The simple answer is $80 for residential uh commercial will also pay 2.5 cents per
gallon for water use above the 1st 4000 gallons. Uh We are proposing a
discount program for people with low income. Um, like most sewers, the sewer bill
is based on your water use bill. Uh If you're a commercial and you're using above
that amount of water because sewer is not typically metered. Um So that your water
is uh electricity, as we said won't cost much. That'll be the property owner's responsibility
to keep the rates at this $80. We expect the county is gonna have to subsidize operations
initially. Um Because it's very difficult to start a, a sewer with a very few
users you could pay for the staffing and it's what that it needs to, to maintain
one. So as we get more and more users, the the system would become more self sufficient.
But we're targeting this uh this amount. I have another slide on that. This
is monthly bills for some comparable locations and this is where
$80 falls in that range. Um Port Townsend is giving everyone a really great deal
right now. Um And lang not so much. So this is a
typical sewer, uh sewer rate. Uh Next slide
here we already talked about who takes care of the grinder pumps. We will or the
pud by agreement. One point on cost is that you won't be paying this annual septic
fee that you asked for accepting. I mean, you're out for a as well as the Yes. So
that's probably two months worth. Yeah. And, and in addition to that um inside of
the area, when you're on the list to be connected, the demo of the septic and us
and we will, we're working with environmental health to make sure the permits are
off the books. And so it would just be
yes,
maybe this is getting picky, but you have a definition while you come, we do uh our,
our ordinance hasn't been adopted, but so it's a work in progress. But uh we're drawing
from 202 100% rate, 200% of the poverty level we're drawing from other uh
municipalities and examples of, of, of organizations that have uh low income programs.
There are proposals to make it a little bit more broad um as well. And so if you
qualify for or here's a proposal
and the proposed rate would be half of what the that would be. 49.
Another question over again. I miss, I miss in the first part of your presentation.
Will there need to be a grinder pump at every, um, every presidential site, but they're
not shared at all. Well, like we've been working with the mobile home park owner
and currently a lot of those mobile homes, there's one drain field for two mobile
homes. So they potentially could have one dr top or two mobile homes or something
like that. You, it's possible it could be shared. Yeah.
Um So what a sewer allow a person to do with their property, um, at the least
you can use the area that's currently occupied by your drain field and your reserved
drain field for an AD U or parking or a shop. Uh,
or because the zoning uh increases on sewers available. Um The,
the minimum, the lowest density after sewers available is 4 to 6 dwelling units per
acre. Right. Right. Now, the zoning is one unit for five acres. Although we have
many smaller lots of record that you can uh put a home on and in that case, you need
at least 12,500 approximately a quarter acre to do, uh, a, uh, a dwelling
on. But, uh, you could, you can get a lot more, um, residential density once sewer
is available and then for commercial, I won't get into it, but there's use tables
and commercial can do a lot more with their property also. I mean, QFC, we've heard,
I want to spread rumors but they would like to expand. It's a very busy store and
the sewer would allow them to do that. Um Other commercial users may have uh plans
again. I won't speak for them, but we've heard that other people with commercial
property are just chopping at the bit waiting for sure to be available so that they
can, they can uh you know, do something with their property and that uh as more urban
in nature. So maybe this might be on the future one but say I have a
property and it's a two bedroom home. I've got a septic in the drain field. So if
I connected and I can use that new area, but I could also come into a building permit.
Would there be I know you're charging by water usage? But does that mean that the
limitation on the number of bedrooms in my home is not existing anymore except for
both dimensional building? Yeah, I would say that's true. I mean, the grinder pumps
can handle as long and a single family residents can put into it, even seven bedrooms
or five bathrooms. So when it goes to building 100 you know, the number of bedrooms
isn't gonna be affected by, not by sewer capacity. I mean, I don't wanna speak for
immediate help, but now by sewer capacity, uh should be, it's not gonna be limiting
the fact of their
to put a dry your pump in. So you have to have an existing home or the for existing
home like the PD and the water line in a, you could buy the, save your right. Basically.
For a lesser fee, we're not gonna have that program. We are gonna put uh sewer keys
and stouts to all properties so that when someone decides to develop, they won't
have to dig into the county road and out in the middle where the sewer line is, they
can get sewer service, they'll be able to access the sewer at the curb, essentially.
Thank you. Bye. Yeah, this is the last slide. How can I get more information? Uh
I think everyone knows where we are in town up like QFC. Uh You can call us, you
can go on our website, you can email us, you can drop in. Uh We like to believe we're
pretty accessible, pretty busy but pretty accessible. We love to talk to people,
uh particularly in the phase one area about their sewer service. We have met with
many, many of the property owners within that boundary one and one which we feel
works a lot better than a big public meeting where no one can really get their personal
attention. They need to answer their, their questions. And we've met multiple times
with some property owners. We've acquired easements from some property owners which
leads to discussions about their sewer service. We know we haven't hit 100% of the
property owners in there. But, um, we love to talk to anyone about sewer service.
And uh we had a couple of these, a couple of weeks ago, Mr Eisenhower, for the folks
in a neighborhood up there on the Curtis Street area. Um
because we decided to run a line through there, it was more convenient. So we thought,
well, we need to talk to these people because they haven't been contact really about
this. But again, um we're not trying to keep people at arm's length and not people
who can talk to us about this, this projects. Like I think that's about it. I mean,
I know we took way more time probably than we deserve, but uh it was great, but that
was ok. Yeah.
Ok. Any questions for, as an author, this does the boundary go out Iron
Road or is it just um, well, the, that's a great question and we didn't have a slide
for that question. And if you guys have questions, can you speak up the microphones
right there? So I was wondering if the boundary you told those first slides and I
was trying to get it. Um, it's up to about Mason Street. I don't know if we have
really go all the way up
that first map. Yeah. Let me get to it and I'll share that latitude of Doctor Barrett.
Thanks.
Did you guys talk, um, or, or do you want to talk about family?
So, the larger urban growth area which eventually she get
sewer goes all the way up to Chime Creek in Irondale and includes Roadie Drive out
here from approximately the sign station where the co in the coffee shop there,
mccrory down to a little bit south of Carl's lumber. Those are future
phases also includes the alcohol plant area out here. Future phase. This foundry
again, it approximate approximately grabs the commercial and higher density residential
areas. Uh You can just start to see some of the commercial zoning on Roadie Drive
here. There's a bunch of red up here. That would be the next phase. Um
And this bound these sub boundaries or this phasing approximately follows the
phasing that was first discussed in the sewer facility plan as far back as 2005,
2006. It was always gonna be developed in stages. Where's the 7 to 2000 gallons?
Is that, is that capacity in phase one? Do you think it's in phase one with filled
out development? Um You know, getting the mobile home park hooked up will help getting
habitat when they develop their thing will certainly start pushing us up higher and
higher. Um, you know, there may be capacity to if, if there's a neighborhood that
really wants sewer service to expand again that, but we're containing the initial
project within the boundary. It, it, we have to put a container around it. Uh, it's,
it's, it's difficult enough as it is to get all this. I, I, I've been frustrated
in the past that I couldn't see what animal the shape is, but I actually figured
it out today. It's a dung beetle. A
dung beetle. All right.
Yeah,
I think, I think it's kind of a cool horn. I don't know. I think it's kind of a bird.
I mean, this is the way
angular and another area. Well, again, this was the, this was the boundary that was
drawn in the sewer facility plant 20 years ago and it is there to capture the highest
water users in the commercial and multifamily housing areas. There was at the time,
less interest from some of these residential areas and being connected to sewer because
everyone's perspective differs. But any of these people are in septic systems that
are working just fine and are not interested in subdividing their property and building
something new. Of course, as soon as someone's septic system fails, they can't get
sewer fast enough. But, um, you know, not everyone's thrilled with paying $80 a month
for sewer service and potentially the cost to install a sewer when they have a septic
system that works adequately for them. But, um, and also a practical part is that
area needs to be built in order to provide a, a poor sewer system or facility to
the upper area. So it, it's starting at the core and kind of and then everything
will connect into the system and some of the people are gonna be happy with the septic,
they're free, so they may be happy. Probably not probably be better. The sewer lines
are being sized for uh
significant expansion. Well, above 72,000 gallons. So it could be extended in the
future and above 72 would take another MBR it would take, uh we're getting close
to. Yeah. Right. Surprisingly though, that's the least of the cost concerns. I mean,
that unit that comes on a truck, a million and a half bucks, right. The digging,
it's the other 30 million. This is everything that goes around it. Um So, uh adding
another unit, you know, could be potentially a couple of million dollars or something
in the future. Uh, you know, Department of Ecology, who gave us a grant loan, mostly
grant for this project, very interested in getting people up on septic in dense urban
areas like this and more dense suburban areas like this. So, um I feel like in the
future, there could be additional grants to connect more people, but we got our hands
full for the next few years and the grant funding that we've already secured, you
know, from the building is designed for a second as well and for the future. Yes.
Um, but to Jeff's point, if there are other areas that we want the ship have got,
what will that process look like and assuming that they are approximate to the existing
service area. Yeah, it's just too much for us to think about
right now because just like every one of those electric panels is a project. You
know, we have two people working well, 2 to 3 people, we have some part time people
and we have Samantha, we have John Black working on this project. So um you know,
it could, it could take a lot of different pathways. Um everything from people needing
to do an L ID or sewer service extension to the county sponsoring and looking for
grants to help them and sewer service do some combination of that. Um I think we
just, we have to cross that bridge when we get to it in the future. And um in
addition to that part, um the ordinance and the rates are the first part to come
and uh in project. And we also have um engineering design standards and details that
are kind of being created for the construction of each of our, of the connections
and then the on site artwork and then we just need to put that together. Um We've
looked um at different cities and utilities and we've been compiling um engineering
design standards and details so that we can, it's not as simple. But then, you know,
when the time comes we can, I guess you could plagiarize high school. So plagiarize
and
my girl. So uh that's, it's, it's in the planning. But as Monty said, we're gonna
have our hands in 2020
for the public could use the acronym on L ID. Local improvement district is uh a
uh process which you mentioned the Marone Water project. The pud did where property
owners essentially decide that they want an improvement like a sewer line extension
or a water line extension. And they paid for that through uh property assessments
that might be spread over 20 years. Uh Beckett Point has a sewer system that has
E one grinder pumps. Uh It doesn't go to a sewer treatment plant. It goes to a drain
field. Uh They put that in 15 years ago, 12 years ago with the local improvement
district. Obviously, they were highly motivated because you dig down before feeding
ground water out there. Yeah, depending on the time of the season. Uh So that's what
a local improvement district is. That's one mechanism if there weren't grants available
to extend, you know, consumer service uh to a neighborhood outside it's a boundary.
How does that work with zoning though? Once you, you know, the urban growth is un
area is unlocked with, when the sewer goes in and then if a neighborhood wants to
do a, a lid, if the zoning is just, they're added to the urban growth area when they,
when they get that sewer in, is it just as simple as that D CD director can correct
me if I'm wrong. But the, uh, the, uh, the zoning has been adopted for the larger
urban growth area. So the only thing that's needed to turn that on is a sewer line
in the street in front of your property that you can get to. So it's, uh, it's, it's
already there. It just needs to be switched on which is, is getting a sewer line,
uh, installed. So they wouldn't have to go through any additional process to get
rezoned or anything like that just again, need similar service. You think we're in
that gray zone right now where people are starting to go? Well, in a couple of years,
see where's gonna be available in this boundary. Can I start planning for and applying
for a future building based on that zoning? And that's a question that's being, um,
wrestled with right now. Like, what does that process look like? So people could
get a head start on, not wait till the sewer treatment plants up and running before
they start and start planning. You know, I mean, sewer's not there till it's there.
So it might have to be at the property owner's risk, but there could be a process
where at least they could, uh, you know, start talking to the county about, about
that. I know there's some property owners interested in that there have to be, uh,
so each property owner would have to do an easement uh cost similar to the easement
PD has for the um, electric service on your property to get to your electric panel.
So if it doesn't make you any happier, I don't think.
Right. And so we'll be, uh, since we're doing these connections, at least the initial
batch of county cost that would be a cost that we, you know,
there's two of them recorded that time and
I was, I just had one thing. I think that habitat opportunity is a huge opportunity
and we all know that housing is a huge crisis in our community and habitat is doing
a great job building, you know, small developments as they can. But this Mason Street
which start on the C A project is gonna be a game changer um for um affordable
housing in our area. And there are other entities like housing authority who are
talking about properties that they own and the areas that are now encumbered by a
drain field will be available for building other apartment buildings like behind
burritos and pizza. So really beyond just how a habitat is planning to do in the
dry area here, I think it's gonna, you know, at least address some of the capacity
issues we're having of workforce and affordable housing. And that's the thing I'm
most excited about about the project and I've done a lot of these landowner meetings
with Bob Wheeler. And um, it's the thing that resonates most strongly with folks.
Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think initially 20 years ago when the UG A was established,
there was a lot of interest in commercial development, but now it's really the housing
component that has become come to the forefront and those housing providers are very
interested. You, you uh another one to mention is the the facility behind the county
shops seven. So wants to expand the existing apartments down there at
uh uh Hadlock road cuts down to the Ajax there. I don't if they plan to expand, but
they're very excited about having sewer service because they've got some difficulties
with the drain field. So there's um yeah, a lot of lot of interest in um in housing
for sure. So I was thinking about the, there was the manufacturing
and we're talking about it was not inadequate that there sort of all the lot there
we just started talking with and it's a condo. So I'm kind of wondering if, if the
agreement to pay $80 a month or whatever it work out with the owner of the home.
What if they don't pay their
anything or, or how does that work?
Yeah, I mean, we're working on the ordinance, we'll be drawn from, we'll be drawing
from other communities that have figured this out. I mean, those are good questions,
you know, typically liens are used. I don't, you know, that's when I don't pay my
water bill.
Yeah. And, yeah, exactly. So there could be,
yeah. Well, in the matter, if I value it, then I have to value based on what utilities
they can have or have that. I know it's from,
we're looking at billing, you know, use with the, the pud because they're already
billing for water and electricity and their electric customers seems to be the best
because for example, in the mobile home park, they're billing, even though there's
one owner of the mobile home park, they're billing the individual mobile homes or
electric service. So we, we would be doing the same sewer service so that, that mobile
home park owner is having to track down all the people that aren't paying him. You
know what I mean? So it's direct to the direct to the uh the owner of the mobile
home. So probably a similar thing in the, you know, that matters. Ok. And, and, and
they sewer water line together, so you shut out, you shut off the water, you know,
come on, you can cross
solids.
Sure. So biosolids will be around for a while. Yes. So biosolids will be
second uh on site to a slurry like consistent
and there, there will be, there will be odor control uh equipment that, um, is
installed at and, uh, that location and then they will be hauled to the, uh, city
of port towns and compost facility to be further processed with the yard degree and
it makes turn into compost. So, um, the potential for odors there, but there's odor
handling equipment. I've been to several sewer treatment plants with Samantha, um,
including the one, for Gabe installed an AVO plant just like ours five years ago.
Um, and there's no odor at that plant. They don't even have odor control on that
one. It's far enough away from surrounding developments and you can't smell that
thing until you're standing right on top of it. Uh Yeah, ours has a little more potential
for odor because of the pressure sewer versus a gravity sewer. But again, that's
why we're installing odor control equipment and we went and looked at, um,
play a few, uh, a month ago and, uh, we're gonna install odor control similar to
theirs. I'd say those bio solids are probably gonna get all about once a week. They're
in an enclosed tank until they're uh drained into the truck to haul them up to the
facilities. They're not just out in the open air floating around. Um, that way we
can capture the opener on
treat the plants. So, yeah, it's just a matter of how much they process them on
site. I mean, if you're running the sewer treatment plant for the city of Bremerton
you're probably doing everything on site and turning it into dirt. We can't afford
to do that with our small startup sewer. So we've got to take advantage of the existing
processes with our neighbors that are already used, uh, you know, like city of port
towns and,
but, uh, we will be, uh, going straight to the post facility. We won't be dumping
it into the SEP facility at the transfer station, which is a city owned and operated
uh facility. So we'll actually be improving the capacity because that, that system
is kind of at capacity. Right now. The sep haulers are brought up against capacity
issues. So we're not gonna be adding to that. We're gonna be taken away from that
by, you know, these septic users that were, um, converting to sewer. Will you no
longer be prompted by Goodman or someone like that? And using that age facility outside
of that facility, the next closest one is down in Sheldon. It does a lot of ask me,
but it's a lot of trekking down.
I, I mean, like I said, engineers, we, we can talk, I think we're all projects we
got going. I mean, we got a hold over next year. I know it looks good. I'm gonna
go look at it and take another picture. Yeah, it's not only again, I guess it's just
this project today, but we'll have you come to the next one and you can, you can
talk about that Wilson project and, yeah. All right. Well, thank you guys very much.
Yeah, I really appreciate it.
Oh, thank you. Does, does anyone online have any questions for, uh Monty or Samantha
you gonna hit raise hand or star an eye if you're with us and have a question regarding
the, uh Port Halo tour? Ok. I, I don't see any, uh, so we'll move on in our agenda
to our quick snapshots. I'd encourage people to be very quick. In fact, does anyone
have a snapshot that you'd really like to share?
We've, you know, we largely know what our departments do and we, we've got more opportunities
here. Um, ok. So if no one has any quick snapshot or update on, on anything
programmatic, we'll move, move right into the next phase, which is really questions
and answers. So, uh, yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, I'm the county and we revalue once
six of the county each year this year we are doing the tri area. So we're gone through
and we've revalued the tri area and, um, as well as the area right around it and
values are gonna go up. I mean, the tri is gonna go up a little bit faster than other
areas. And, and one of the reasons for that is because Irondale, we've been undervaluing
the land for quite a while and we're getting more and more land sales. Now, is that
due to the sewer or the due to the fact that um, housing capacity get that, um, or
else they're getting priced out of four towns. And so there's more interest in, in
that area, but the values are gonna go up probably the last one up, maybe 20%. So
you're gonna see something maybe 14% when the improvement increases. And, um, and
that sounds like a lot, but I just thought it was important to note that if you look
at the sixth area, the tri area is down here with an average home value of
343,000, about the same as Brandon and, and a manufactured home in a tri area has
been selling about the same as a manufactured home in Brandon. All right. So, uh
even though it's going up, it's still well under the north property. I mean, you've
got Mariza up here at the top with a 615,000 home value. And then you've got, uh,
for Ludlow, you've got the North Camper, you know, which includes Paul Point and
Cape George. And now in the middle here, you have the city and the average county
are almost exactly the same. So they are in the middle. So even though the trier
is coming up, you're, you're still well below where these other areas are. And this
is quilting right here. So you got quilt Brandon in the trier down here. I think
the trier is probably gonna continue to climb. Is that due to the sewer. Yeah, in
part, you know, and that, that probably contributes into it will eventually push
out the lower guided mo, I don't know. But you're gonna, you are seeing basically
ali and valuable
want to see like people are pretty, you don't see a lot of movements with people
with,
but not much. So, we're seeing more in, in, in Irondale and around there that we
have seen for many, many years, um, is pretty stable and it's always, but it's, you
know, it's in the north. But yeah, so I think you're gonna see that you're gonna
see a more desire to have more housing in the dryer. Make a sound James. James. Yeah.
All right. So I have something I need to walk back. I, uh, the past few meetings
have been very excited to announce how I would be getting a the corner. It turns
out that's not the
case. It's actually gonna make life easier for, uh, Chris who is wanting to be, uh,
helping me and Martin probably doesn't have to figure out where he's gonna find a
few extra $100,000 to set up an office as I was getting closer to, uh, creating my
budget over the next couple of years to get this office set up. I started taking
a close look at the statutes that were passed a couple of years ago and conversing
with some of, uh, my fellow prosecutor, foreigners who were in the same boat that
I am and, uh, discovered that, um,
there was a lot of ambiguity in the statutes and, uh, a lot of difference of opinions
about what our obligations were going to be. And so, uh, I contacted,
uh, the criminal justice training commission who is basically charged with overseeing
the coroner certification. And they said that no change is needed for counties under
40,000 people unless those counties set up a separate coroner's office, which it
is not likely in the car since that's a significant kind of expense. So I will continue
to be in the car. And
thank you.
How long do you expect the tri area that long period to take to get 6000 more people?
Yeah.
Not right. Not too long. Yeah, Cynthia. Do you have a question for the public? Could
you introduce yourself? Oh, I'm sorry, I should have done that. Yes, Dave's gonna
be prosecuting attorney.
Yeah. All right. Any other, uh, quick update from any of our elected directors? I
got 11, I'm boy and services director. Uh, grant was formally submitted to the state
for funding for, uh, up to four parking spots for level three, electric vehicles
for organization at the library of, we're feeling very optimistic about that.
Yeah, that's the highest. Yeah. So you're talking like a 30 minute charge and check
out some books? Yeah.
All right. Uh, well, we'll move on to our kind of round table. So this is where the,
the public gets to take over and ask any questions or make any comments. So, Frank
Cynthia, uh you know, anything else you wanna talk about? Kay Tom is online, you
can hit raise hand. If you're online with us, we'd love to hear your questions or
your comments. You've got, you know, the uh consolidated power of the county here
at your fingertips. So we'd love to um field your questions or your or your comments.
I, I'm sure everyone wants to go home too. So I just happened to have this. All right,
always have the question. Nothing. Everyone's here about the tour. I think Monty
and Smith had answered everyone's questions. That was a great presentation. Yeah.
Yeah, it was a really nice presentation. I think it was actually an ironic that there
are many members of the public, but it's all great for all of us to know.
So how many departments of touch too transits here, you know, and like talking and
dr area that was like so many different agencies, Cynthia.
Um I'm here to represent. Um, I was talking to at the end there just saying, I didn't
know coming to this meeting, um, that they were gonna be, you guys are gonna be presenting
about the sewer. So I think there would be a lot of public interest for a meeting
that was specifically launching presentation and requested an answer for, for the
sewer. So, um, I know other planning commissioners. I know I'm on
the planning commission. Um I know the planning commissioners would love to be here.
We didn't know. Um, I printed out your list of meetings. It doesn't say that. So,
I think that would be in on your. So, um, I think that's important. I think that
then you would have a lot more interest in that. But yeah, thank you. And we know
there was kind of a last minute addition to the agenda really because it's pretty
relevant, especially at this particular uh community conversation. Um But yeah, three
extra people, we could have had missed opportunity. I don't know. We obviously need
to do something though. I will say Fort Ludlow, we had at least 20 people I believe.
And uh Brennan and saying, no, don't worry, we're, we're gonna start her too. So
this is really where district shines in the community conversation. Um So, you know,
any anything else that anyone wants to share or give an update on?
All right. Well, I really appreciate everyone making time today and we'll continue
to work on our outreach, which seems like it needs a little bit more work so we can
get people out letting them know what we're gonna talk about. You know, I mean, often
we want to talk about anything that's interesting. So I'm not sure how to convey
that, you know, our, our topics aren't limited to um an item, but really run the
gamut of county services and opportunities and challenges. So, um thank you everyone
for your time tonight and I will adjourn this special meeting. The board count conditions.
Have a great night. Ok?