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long weekend. After a long weekend
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I think it was maybe, maybe not by us. Right. Exactly. Remember? Oh.
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it was a cybersecurity thing. Have internet. It's all right to plug in. I plugged
in one week.
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start recording your testing. Testing. 123, testing. Anyone at home. Can you, uh,
can see who's on the zoom room with us?
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the best.
I'm just going home. You guys,
the new internet
recording in progress? We started at this point. Yeah, I just
twice,
but not in this room. Yeah, that shouldn't, shouldn't be necessary, you know, at
least you're doing something.
The deal is ready when you want it. Ok. Just 35 windows closed.
Everybody ready to go or? Yes. All Right. Good morning.
Everyone hope everyone had am a nice long weekend and, or a meaningful long weekend
with the holiday. Um, it is Tuesday morning since we uh, don't need on the holiday.
Obviously, we need on Tuesday instead. Um, anything to ask before we jump in. All
right. So we will start our day as we always do with public comment. We welcome the
public to comment on any issue. We have up to three minutes. Please address the board
and the board only. We typically respond to all public comments after we have heard
from everyone. And um, oh yes, that folks hit the raise hand button at the bottom
of the screen if they are on zoom and I will call on folks in the room first. Is
it helpful if you state your name and your place of residence? So it does not require.
So who in the room would like to try them in? Go ahead. Good morning. I'm Patricia
Hennessy. I'm the first executive director of the Jefferson County Food Bank Association.
My position was voted on and approved in the spring of 2023 during strategic planning
session. All board members at the time participated in and voted on this transition.
Interviews were in October and my first day was November 6th since my hiring, our
president, vice president treasurer, all retired from the board. We now have new
officers approved via vote and yes, two board members did resign. That's a lot of
change for any organization with so much change. It is prudent to take a pause review
and make sure we move together forward in a positive way to best support our community
and store the resources we have to fulfill our mission. Financial oversight is imperative.
We are planning a forensic audit for historical review of our books to ensure our
viability now and for decades to come, this decision to do this audit was approved
by the entire board prior to a former volunteer going to the press and contacting
the Irs Jefferson County Food Bank Association now serves over 3200 households a
month. That is up by 600. Just in the first quarter of this year. We are meeting
this need and working diligently to get ahead of it. This added demand impacts our
ordering and workflows. Our volunteers are amazing in handling this demand with grace
and putting our clients first. We have grants, partnerships and funding resources
so we can offer consistent and nutritional choices to our clients. Yes, we do purchase
food so do other food banks in the region and across the country. We try to source
locally whenever it's possible, it's a win for our clients and it's a win for the
local economy. Our food is safe and yes, we have a rodent issue with the tri area.
This problem has been ongoing before my time and we are working hand in glove with
the health district and pest control experts to remedy this issue as fast as we can.
We need to make capital improvements at all of our locations. We're making sure that
we can secure the funding and resources to make this happen. And at the same time,
not jeopardize expenditures um like food and staffing capacity. The individuals who
are complaining and making false allegations against JCFB A myself include past board
members who are but board members and volunteers unhappy with the changes within
JCFB A and hiring. And 80. All of this started in early December my second month
on the job finger pointing uncooperative communication back channel, speculation
and misinformation are not helpful. It is divisive. This behavior negatively impacts
our neighbors in need and our ability to carry out our work and move forward. My
goal as executive director is to unite our four food banks and the communities they
serve JCFB A is a network. We have shared values assets and a common mission. My
effusive gratitude goes to all who believe in us and my sincere hope is that you
will continue to support our heart. Thank you. Thank you very much,
Maggie. Are you gonna put back up today?
Good morning. Good morning. Happy related Memorial Day. Ok.
So number one, you can't resolve housing homeless with
counties and shelter contractors, boards with misappropriate funds. You
cannot resolve ho housing homeless by duct taping working toilets. You can't resolve
housing homeless by blocking showers because of eroding infrastructure and basements
that where nature uh causes flooding in a building that is below sea level.
You cannot resolve housing homeless by not isolating COVID patients. Even with when
they have a doctor's note, you cannot resolve housing homeless by ignoring, ignoring
rodent populations. You cannot resolve housing homeless by providing no place to
cook. No ad eight bathrooms, noise violations 3 to 4 times a week by landlords,
discrimination against mental and physical uh illness and the elderly and also
vigorously opposing permanent support of housing. You cannot arrest people into neg
negligent sheltered housing or by lying to the public about housing or vacant promises
about housing. You actually oppose such as permanent supportive housing. Happy Memorial
Day. I would like to introduce to you two men who have something to say about war
housing and work studs Terkel of the good war, hard times and working
fame and also Doctor Charles Clements MD of Witness to War and the
1985 Academy award winning documentary of the same name. Go to Studs
terkel.wfmt.com programs
for the Doctor Charles Clements interview on how you cannot militarily
solve socio-economic problems. Thank you. Thank you, Mickie.
Let's go online. You would like to provide public comment. Please hit raise hand
at the bottom of your zoom screen
online. Like to provide public comment. Please raise hand.
Yeah. Oh, can I kind of really point time that I have left over? Um I have no idea
how much the time that was and we tried to, it was not and we know keep people to
the three minutes. Um, would you like another minute? Yeah. Sure. Sure. Ok.
I forgot. I'd also like to say in conclusion that had there been no
stolen election, there wouldn't have been a World War Two. If elections had been
allowed, there would have been no Vietnam. And if we had no electoral college, there
would be no January 6th. Thank you very much. Thank you. Great.
Another call for public comment. I think we will uh go ahead and do responses and
then I'll see if anyone would like to do public comment. Anyone ready to respond.
I can just um thank you Patricia for coming this morning. We were um talking last
week and she was answering a lot of my questions, but I felt like the these um points
need to be made in a public forum. So I invited her to come make a public comment
this morning. So I appreciate you being here. Thank you. And um yeah, I know it's
work ahead. Ok. Thank you. Uh Yeah, thanks. Good to see both Patricia and Maggie
today and uh appreciate you coming out and, and uh you know, saying, saying your
piece for the for the the food bank, they are definitely dramatic times and we're,
we're no strangers to folks getting frustrated with changes, especially I guess,
you know, I still there, there are questions like II, I would love to get an update
at some point about capital projects moving forward. I mean, I get, every time I'm
in quil seeing an earful from, from builders around there about uh um how it's not
wise to leave a half built building just to, to, you know, decay. So, you know, that's
a, it's a great looking food bank and quil scene and, and I'd love to, to hear more
as you guys, uh you know, get this planning under you about what, what the plans
are for that facility and, and uh and all the facilities. So I guess my uh response
is thank you. And I'd, I'd love to hear more and I think that we can come to food
bank meetings too. So I don't know um if that would be helpful or if uh if maybe
we could come, if you would come back after some of the uh um planning and the forensic
accounting is done um to just let us know how it's going in an afternoon workshop
or something, man. Um You have to come to a microphone and I did, I did ask Patricia
to attend the next bank meeting, so I will be doing that. Yes, Heidi Heidi has been
invited to attend our next meeting. Um I'm wondering if maybe Heidi and Greg wanna
swap um meetings because one of the things that I will be doing is presenting a plan
to move forward on the Quilcene building project. We're not, we're not abandoning
the building. That is a fact. That's good to hear. And I'm, you know, we don't need
a bulk. He can report back. I just want to, you know, understand as things move forward,
how they're moving forward. Absolutely. Thanks again for the opportunity.
Um, Maggie had a lot of points. One thing I'll say is that we're very in support
of permanent support of housing, operational costs are a real challenge to continue
it going. And it's something we'll be advocating about this week as well. But uh
um uh I hear your concerns and, and all I can say is as we try to uh turn the page
to a new chapter at the emergency shelter at the American Legion as a bridge. Uh
We're gonna try to have more, uh you know, voice for those with lived experience,
those people that are there. I mean, I did go down there last week and I check both
showers, the both showers have hot water, you know, you have to wait for two minutes
on one. But um like the these issues are, are real issues, Maggie and uh I wanna
make sure that your, that your voice and, and the, the voices of, of the uh other
unhoused are, are part of the conversation as well as the landlord's voice. You know,
I think the landlords on that, on that uh policy council that we're envisioning as
well is is really will be constructive, you know, getting everyone at the same table
to work through these very nuanced issues is in my experience, the best way to actually
move forward on those challenging issues that don't have any one easy answer, but
I appreciate your comment.
All right. Um Just a couple of quick responses. Um Thank you both for being here
today. Nice to meet you Patricia. I don't know if we've had a chance to meet previously.
Um, and very grateful for the work that the Food Bank Association does as well as
the many volunteers. And, you know, we, we see in sitting on so many boards as we
do in this role, how, um how often they, you know, humans end up in some sort of
conflict with one another. And, um, you know, I think the hope is that we just continue
to work in, in good faith. It's a lot of people trying to work together with very
good intentions and, um, somehow those wires get crossed with very consistent regularity,
um, frequently. And, um, you know, I still scratch my head after eight years in this
job of like, how is it that all these really well intentioned people can still, um,
end up in these positions of, of conflict and seeing situations very differently.
And I think we just have to give each other a lot of grace and say this is, uh this
is part of being humans trying to work together. Um, the, uh, you know, the, the
more troublesome, um, concern I have and this applies to the, the shelter as well
as the food banks. It's just that, you know, the state of our infrastructure is,
um, is really challenging and, you know, there's not enough funding to go around
to doing the capital repairs that we need to do, um, you know, county facilities
as well as the other supportive systems that um that help especially our vulnerable
populations. And, you know, this is true across the country. And um we, we rely on
volunteers, we rely on donations and um so just have to keep working together and
slowly chip away at making these equipments. Um You know, that in terms of the Shelter
Maggie, I think, you know, we are desperately working to get a new building built
um in order to try to, you know, improve some of the, the chronic um
deficiencies of the current location, but it means stay and put for a little while
longer. Um And, and trying to get that other, the new project across the finish line.
So I would just bear with us right now to find as 8 billion set aside for permanent
supportive housing. So go get it. But we're, we're working on it. I just got 2.5
million. So that's a start. I also say I'm a big fan of Studs Turkel. Listen to me
too. Yeah, I listen to his, his reading of hard times many times. Um I think N pr
even used to play it all day on. Is it Memorial Day? I think it would be Memorial
Day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um So I hear her interview with Charles Clements. I jotted
that down. Thank you. All right. Um Let's go, uh back to folks online. Anyone
wish to provide public comment before I close it for the day and once, then twice.
All right, I make those public comments and let's take a look at the consent agenda,
relatively light consent agenda today. I've been excited to see um to see a
road project coming up for surface treatment because I just read a book about it's
actually pronounced bitumen. Did you know that? Um you know, that sounds, that sounds
right. Yeah, that spelled out Benjamin. Yeah. Yeah. Bitumen is a petroleum product.
It is the, the um what is being produced in the tar sands of Canada that is um sort
of creating the, yes, extremely inefficient. I should say it requires eight times
as much energy to produce it as it produces as a um, petroleum product. Yeah. Uh
highly, highly subsidized and uh read a fascinating book called Fire Weather about
the, the climate change and the uh enormous wildfires that happened in Alberta a
few years ago due to the bitumen industry. So I've been excited to, you're gonna
be saying that word all the time, but I think it I think in this case, it is still
the tin. It's not. How would you say that the bituminous, uh, it loses somehow that
bituminous. I looked it up a number of times. Interesting. I, I'm gonna be thinking
about it all day. Yeah. The, the, the product, the petroleum product that comes out
of the ground is bitumen, but when it becomes a bituminous product, it is the pronunciation
changes. You just made it harder for me, honestly. Sorry. I know I've been curious
about it for a long time, so I was glad to, to do a deep dive on it and uh it's gonna
be great on. Is it pronounced Van Troy?
Yeah, all the people up there will be really excited. I drive
most of the people.
Um I was just gonna call out the a local with kids app for household hazardous waste
because we've gotten a lot of feedback about people liking the household hazardous
waste events versus the fixed facility. Um And just wanting to let people know that
Kids app will take our household hazardous waste whenever you want to take it there.
And I know it's all the way in Bremerton, but you can look forward to a um North
Kits app um Kingston uh medium risk waste
facility in Kingston in 2025. So we're, you know, it's good to have collaboration
with our neighbors. And um I'm, I'm grateful for kids that, for being willing to
accommodate Jefferson county residents. So I don't know if it,
I just like to say things out loud when well out, out loud when I didn't even know
them. Sorry, I had this cold and I'm just, yeah, it's hot. It's exciting though.
It's like, uh, you know, so much less to have, uh, for, you know, county staff to
do the events, uh, collection. So, having a, you know, whenever you need to get rid
of your medium uh medium waste, medium strength waste, medium strength waste, um
having a place that seems like a very smart uh island. And I did talk with Al Cairns
about the over over loved Hadlock. At least the one event that I tried to go with,
go to with my mom um at the end of her life and we were sitting in the line for like
an hour and mom's like, I don't wanna sit in line anymore. And I'm like, ok, and
he said we're gonna have more lines, larger, larger capacity events in the future.
So anyone's frustrated with that, there's hope on the horizon. Ok.
Um Unfortunately, to see a resignation on the no weed control board got to it. I
finally had a quorum. They said they've lost quorum or no. Three with three is a
quorum. I think they had exceeded. They got, well, I did pull out all the poison
hemlock on my shoulder, you know, I didn't put it there, of course. But uh so now
I feel like I can ask the neighbor up the road that I keep asking to join the board.
And, uh, she's usually like you're gonna ask me when you have poison hemlock on your,
on your curbside. So I'm ready to ask her again and I'll be the streets and district
two. All right. And, and reach out to Sophie and see. Yeah. Too bad though. What's
going on? Did they, um, did it come up quite easily with the moist ground? Oh, yeah,
the tap roots are, I mean, it poisoned him lots in the carrot family, right. So they're
just little carrots. So, yeah, it came a shovel. Oh, really? Yeah, it was, it was
deep, you know, there was some hard rock but if you just kind of loosen the shovel
and shovel fold, it pulled out pretty cleanly the time of year, I'm happy to move
to approve the consent agenda for May 28th, 2024 2nd. Any further discussion?
All those in favor, please say hi. Hi. Hi. Consent agenda is adopted. All right.
We have until 945 to do some briefing before we're joined by DNR to talk an update
on the natural area extension. So, can I talk a little bit about, um, the health
report that, you know, I think we were going to maybe delay with Dr Berry and I'm
just wondering if we want to maybe transition to road updates during the summer when
there's so many impacts on the road will, could do it. We can invite Wash dot out.
We've never made it to any of the clown Docc meetings with Wash dot So, um, do you
think Willie is the best person? I'm not sure who the best person, like a, like a
local host that can kind of manage it. Maybe it's Monte or maybe it's Willie or a
little bit of both and then guests, I
hold the spot on the radio. Yeah, once a month, I mean, in reaching out to dot When
I did the KPTZ segment with them, they were very amenable to being here. So maybe
we could just work directly with them and hesitant to put anything else on Monty's
calendar right now just because I had a couple of other ideas. I've thrown some,
uh, I coined the acronym VB I over the weekend. Very big ideas and I've thrown a
couple by Monte as well as other people. Well, mine have been smaller tactical ideas.
It's a new podcast. Can't wait to tell you about.
Um, I like the idea. I mean, I think that one of the challenges and this came up
because I had Monty on radio talking about roads on Friday is, um, there's, you know,
most people don't understand the difference between roads in the city, roads in the
county and state highways. And is there anyone who's comfortable talking about all
three of those? The questions would largely could be about all three of those. And,
well, we can ask for questions about, you know, big road projects. I mean, we could
just, we could, we could frame it in a way, you know, there's not that many giant
road projects in Port Townsend. But, you know, if there are, couldn't, I mean, I'm
talking about Discovery Road wouldn't be a bad thing to talk about uh in our meetings
either. So I guess I would say framing the large road projects this, this season
and how they're gonna be impacts and, and benefits of those projects. Um I will say
too that um I had not known until I did the show on Friday that KPTZ is doing a regular
update on uh traffic impacts and road projects and Jim had just done it before I
came in, which was fine because we were talking more like funding and more kind of
structural, not specific projects in part because, you know, Monty doesn't want to
speak to watch do projects or city projects. So um I don't know how often they're
doing that. It definitely seemed like a Friday thing because of traffic, uh weekend
traffic. So um I just, I wonder if it would be good to run it through KPTZ and, you
know, maybe Monte or watch that and see if, if there's interest or if that would
be duplicative of something they're already trying to do. Yeah, I'm happy to birddog
that and reach out to Jim and KPTZ. Ok. And maybe because it would like, are we,
it's the 1st, 1st Monday, right? Are we planning to have Doctor Bery next Monday
that we put it on hold? We put it on hold so we don't have anything scheduled right
now. Yeah, I've got it. I got it quite a few comments that people are disappointed
that we put it on hold. But II, I mean, come fall, you know, I think there's reason
to have it back if there's an emergency. I mean, I know that Doctor Barry will come
back but, you know, yeah, people are still getting sick. Um But is that something
that we need 30 minutes on which is, you know, a couple of hours of her time of prep.
Um And is that time spent better spent doing out of work? All right. Well, I'll,
I'll reach out to KPTZ. I guess I'll do it soon since it would be next Monday, right?
Ok. Thanks for that.
All right. Anyone wanna look back at last week?
Yeah. Um I can see it this week.
So last week, um I was at the uh Northwood Canal Chamber of Commerce after
I was with you guys on Monday couldn't stay for the members members meeting um because
we had a healthier together task force in this room to talk about. Uh we met with
the, the consultants, I think I kind of reported out at IC G. Um The group is still
working pretty well. And uh, yeah, you know, no recommendations yet. But I think
next week we will have some recommendations from that group that will be kind of,
you know, in pencil until they get to the end and ratify them. But I want to make
sure that we start, uh, writing down conclusions that the group makes findings and
recommendations. Basically, I was, I was curious about that. When you mentioned that
at the CG, it seems a little like, I mean, you're gonna keep learning about costs
and benefits of different options. I was curious why recommendations already when
there's more to learn. Well, I mean, uh well, the idea is that we would come back
to all the recommendations but basically observing the group dynamic, you know, we
have a geographically representative group with different skill sets and it's um
there are, there are some louder voices that that are can kind of really zoom in
to uh talking about Excel spreadsheets in a way that isn't constructive. I don't,
maybe it's constructive for everyone in the group, but I want to make sure that all
the voices are heard so that we take the time to as we go through, you know, we've
really looked at the reports that came out of mountain view pool. So having a group
discussion and, and making sure that all the voices are, are registered, not just
the ones that have lots of questions during the during the conversation with, with
the consultants basically. So um there won't be any formal, you know, recommendations
till the end. But at least having the conversation with the group and saying, yeah,
this is something that we agree on. We're not ready to make a, an agreement on this
yet sort of calling them findings or something and not recommending. I think they
did say findings. Um But you know, so we're that was a nuance added actually at last,
the last meeting and there was an email suggestion of several findings with the recommendation.
Um I mean, we have about six questions that we have for them that's listed on their
prime spreadsheet that you know, the new, new, I mean, site location construction.
All, all these questions that we have are the things they're going to try to make
a recommendation on. And uh yeah, I think it will be more findings coming up. But
I think like one of the fine, I I could go through it later in more detail if you
want, but it's because of this, this finding and this finding and this finding in
our analysis of the report, we make this recommendation. So we have one that we will
consider at our next meeting on June 6th. I have one question is the task force getting
public comment that we're receiving. Um They're doing written public comments and
they have if we get like we got one this week and it was kind of addressed to the
task force or talked about the healthier together is pretty good about forwarding
those on. Ok. I just wasn't sure. Yeah, I'll double check, but I believe that they
Wendy has really been kind of parsing all that together. Um So in the Northwood Canal
Chamber meeting is really kind of going through the same, you know, big organizational
questions about the staffing of the visitor information centers and, and you know,
the uh renew, renewed contract with the Forest Service about running a visitor center
out of the Ranger station down in, in uh
and quilting so challenging time for them as well. On Tuesday, I met with the director
of Jefferson County Historical Society, really good meeting. I love the new programming
that they're, they're doing out there and really kind of combining art and history
and going back a little bit. Um I'm gonna invite her out for a workshop here fairly
soon to kind of let us know the uh the differences and there might be a, a funding
as to, you know, I mean, I definitely the funding model for Jefferson County Historical
Society is uh definitely weighted more towards grants and donations, philanthropy
than government support then than many others. So I said I would um enable that conversation
did not, was not able to go to the E DC finance meeting because I uh drove Nan Toby
Tyrell over to the senior symposium in Fort Warden and listened to seniors give presentations.
Um As always, you know, it just renews your faith in the future, seeing these bright
kids uh super focused on things. Um A lot of mock trial people and I've gone to a
concert of one of the city projects uh and uh super impressive presentation to Best
concert I went to in town this year I think was uh the the student uh driven concert.
And yeah, so many hours put in, I think he, he, he registered that all the people
that were in his band recorded more hours in practice than was required for a senior
project. And he put in five times the amount basically. What was the band? Um It
was uh Elijah Hill. Uh I think it was Elijah Hill senior project band by that super
good. I mean, he transcribed every bit of music that was in there. They did pop songs
and originals and, and like, and transcribed every note and did all the arrangements
for a 12 piece band. It was pretty, it was like a college level project. It was really
impressive. All the projects were good. Yeah. What I love about senior projects is
that it isn't just the kids who are in advanced placement classes. Every single kid
does a senior project and presents it and um yeah, as you move towards graduation,
you see, you see it's all the, the kids who have the most support and the most resources
are are, you know, celebrated over and over. But in that event, every single kid
what they've done. Well, it was fun. My husband was a mentor for one of one of the
seniors, seven rest and, and, um, super inspired by the collaboration that they formed.
I really have a neat relationship and, and another one of my kids. I, yeah, and I
realized I have multiple kids, the symposium this year. And I'm like, I'm that age
now. So I was, I did journalism. Oh, cool. Yeah, fun. Well, it was, it was, it's
always a really, really good to be part of it. Um All right, I'm ready to Tuesday
afternoon, Quilcene Brennan Empowered Teens Coalition. Uh, our last meeting with
Holly Gum. She's taken over the Port Townsend coordinator position, but they have
hired someone who's starting June 3rd, uh, from, from down there. So that is exciting
on, uh Wednesday morning, the Jefferson County Library. I was with you guys for the,
uh, trustees meeting. Uh, the annual meeting and library is doing, you know, great
stuff and, you know, kind of is how performs like a library should, where they're,
they're looking to see how, how can we change to serve our, our mission better. And
I, I, I'm always really impressed. Uh, let's see, did the first website
working group for Jefferson transit we Wednesday afternoon. Um, Kelly Graves. Really?
That did really good work getting it set up going through Civic Plus is really, you
know, I think it's, uh, it's the same, same, uh, framework that we use for the county
website too. So it's interesting going through the choices and everything. I, I think
we're on the right track and she's really leading the charge with a lot of research
and, and, and solid work housing fun board. We made a recommendation uh, to fund
the shelter with $100,000 as well as the, the two recording fee. Kick back tranches.
I really appreciated that.
Uh Let's see. Mhm Folks didn't show up Thursday morning to uh um plan
out the fiber to my house and a family emergency, but soon I'm getting fiber uh to
my house. I'm very excited. Uh the no DC meeting, we had a housing panel which is,
you know, uh definitely, you know, kind of had heard all the, all the, all the pitches
before Emma and, and Jamie and, and uh oh no, I guess not, Jamie. It was the Clapham
Clallam habitat. Cla cla habitat is killing it too. They're building a lot of houses.
So um it was good meeting was with you all at the IC G meeting and then I went to
the uh met with the board executive board or most of them at the American Legion
after the IC G meeting and I, I won't, I won't uh bury my lead too much, but they
were amenable to Bayside operating in the shelter. So I had a meeting with Bayside
Friday morning and there considering it seriously looking at it. So they were going
to spend the weekend doing um budget stuff. They have a board meeting Wednesday.
Nothing's final and tell that. But, uh yeah, they're interested in doing it. So that's
great news. Glad you guys pushed me to have that conversation. And yeah, you know,
I presented both the two that we had uh and talked about the two organizations. So
we'll uh not sure if we'll be able to have Bayside join us today for the uh detail
update at 230. But we'll see, um, met with Diane mcdade from the, the healthier together.
And then uh on Saturday, volunteered at Fjord Fest selling shrimp. I uh
do you call it frostbite when you burn your hands, handling cold stuff? Is that frostbite?
I got frostbite loading the, uh my, my finger still hurt from loading all the shrimp,
but
I didn't have gloves. I didn't know I was gonna be loading shrimp. I thought I was
gonna be selling shrimp. They kind of, they waited until they sold it until 12. So
I was at the booth for two hours saying, oh, wait till 12 and then I had to stay
a little late. So I could actually sell out to the line basically. But then I saw
our treasure of preda come right after me selling all the shrimp that I injured myself.
Loading. Did you see the orcas did I see the orcas were the or or no I didn't I
didn't go. That's cool. No one, no one mentioned it to me. Yeah. Oh just transient.
No, still still. Um and yeah that was, that was my week.
Ok. Well let's see last week I was with you on Monday Remotely and people have multiple
people have commented about how sick I look. I'm like, I'm sorry, I just I was just
laughing. I was laughing the whole time on the screen. Anyway, sorry about that.
Um So there than here still. I know that's what I thought. Um Let's see. Um
Apple and I both attended a webinar national webinar on um it was titled supporting
decision makers using opioid settlement funds. And it was, it was a great in presentation.
It was largely large urban communities. Um But I have to say that
the, the messages or the the tactics were some, some of them were very transferable
and Apple and I both came out of it with some ideas and we went to this in anticipation
of the uh Opioid Funding Summit that we're having this week. Um local Opioid Funding
Summit. And the thing that came out of it most clearly for me was that uh including
people with lived experiences is are, is the most important ingredient in any of
these conversations. And I'd say that
that plays for all the stuff that we work on, right? So putting extra effort into
getting folks with lived experience in the room so that you're actually hearing from
folks who are um dealing with opioids in this case is and have recovered from
opioid addiction um is probably the best use of time. So after that, we, we redoubled
our commitment and effort to getting people with lived experience in the room for
this Thursday. So anyway, um let's see Wednesday at
the library meeting with you guys and then I went to a meeting at the port with the
Jefferson Timber Collaborative. Um There, the, the port is put a uh I know
but they call it a rezone, but a zoning request in the D CD docket for this plan.
Yeah, comp plan update. And um it would allow for um
light industrial and some of that kind of outlying areas of the airport property.
And so one of the uses that we're most excited about is uh allowing paving away for
the Jefferson Timber Collective to have some infrastructure at the airport. So that's
exciting and moving forward, we'll go through a public process. Yeah, be part of
DC D's docket process this year. Um The uh in the afternoon,
we did our a prep planning meeting for our Opioid summit this week. And then Thursday
morning, I met with Kenny Ocker uh from DNR about trust land transfer about the work
group. I missed the first work group meeting. And as I think I told you guys on another
DNR workgroup for um DNR, the Trust plan transfer project review committee. So
I'll have to recuse myself when they get tar for projects. But um we kind of figured
out a game plan for that. And then I did ask him about the tribal consultation piece
and in the manual and, you know, at the end of the conversation, I came out of it
feeling like, well, it's really on counties to do that outreach even though on the
manual, it says we'll do this collaboratively. So, and we are in the process of doing
that. Commissioner Dean drafted a letter um sent it off. Great. Mm uh
See. And then the IC G meeting in the evening that day on Friday, I was
off for the last of our seven weekly mo mom celebrations. So my week
will not be consumed with those anymore. Um And then Saturday, I think I funnest
thing was going to the Nordland General Store ribbon cutting celebration and there
are hundreds of people there and it was super fun, cold but fun. And then I saw videos
of the tractor um tractor parade. Yes. Or was it the day before yesterday? Yeah.
So anyway, deciding to have that store back open. And I think I told you guys that
I was in there and having done a little grocery in the past, I looked at the sandwiches
in the cooler and I'm like, there's no way they're gonna sell all those sandwiches.
This weekend. Went back yesterday, the sandwiches were all gone. So, who's making
the sandwiches? Do you know they were, um, store made Charlie's? I don't know if
it's Charlie's produce but they found a, a vendor that makes sandwiches. Probably
Charlie's produce. Um, so,
oh, and then Saturday night, not that I'm supposed to tell you what my, all my social
calendar is consumed with, but I did go to a, uh, an auction item event for the chimi,
um, a SB auction and it was super fun. You know, Yuli who works out of the school,
um, made a Sri Lankan dinner and I was like, is it gonna be, is it gonna be very
Indian influenced? Oh, you did? You won at the auction? Well, our friends won but
they won for four. So they took us with them, which was fun. But, um, it wasn't in,
it was kind of a combination of Indian and Thai. So I'm gonna dig into lacking with
him. So that was my last week. Nice. Um, I'll just quickly go through my week. Um,
had, um, a tour of the hood canal on Tuesday with long of the kings and the fish
and wildlife. Um, they are wrapping up their research on the filets to prevent predation.
Did they help? Um, they, the data won't be analyzed for another, um,
might take up to a year to analyze. But the problem was there were so few juvenile
steelhead to tag that they aren't going to get good data on the significant amount.
Yeah. So they ended up doing, having to tag a lot of, um, uh, hatchery steel head
and they, they know that the hatchery and wild populations behave differently. So
combined with last year's data, it will be, you know, they, they can, will be able
to draw some conclusions. But, um, they had to work hard to get like 300 juvenal
steelhead to tag and they would have preferred to have more. But, you know, keep
in mind this is a teeny little beacon placed inside a teeny little,
uh, juvenile steel head. It's crazy. And that, you know, it has to have a battery
in it that can be tracked for um, many weeks. And yeah, it's, it's really wild and
they, they have to surgically insert it, you know, do a little surgery on every single
fish. It's fascinating. Um, so, uh, they're gonna continue to do that work. They
just got another $2.5 million last week to, um, to continue the study. Um,
that, that the filets do appear to be successful. The problem is that, do you know
they have to take them out of the water when there's a storm, they could bring a
tugboat from Seattle to remove the, the, the barriers. Um, so they're hoping to do
a permanent, get funding to do a permanent barrier all while, um, kind of preparing
for redesign and rebuild of the bridge eventually. So, not soon. But at the, at the,
at the, in our lifetime. Right. Yeah. And I was talking about the normal life cycle
of the bridge, which, you know, it could be 20 or 30 years. But, um, often bridges
end up staying in place longer because they're still structurally sound that, that
maybe this would be driving decision sooner. But seeing the population decline so
quickly, that calls into question, um, whether that's, you know, will be too late
in 20 years. So we can't talk about seal bounties or anything, right? I mean, that's
the problem is the predation when they get stuck. Right. Yeah. Um, and there is,
you know, so I'm on the, the policy board for the state agency that you just have
partnership and that is an issue that, you know, the tribes are really asking for
now. And, um, I think it would be great, a difficult issue and contentious and environmental
communities. But yeah, no, that is way more part of the conversation than it was
a few years ago. Although the sense isn't that the populations in the canal are really
out of control. Um, although we see, you hear the sea lions now hanging out on the
docks in downtown for Townsend, that's starting when, you know, they, they've been
moving north so we could see potentially more impacts. Ok, I can pause on my
briefing, um, because it is time for our discussion with DNR on the Deba Bay Natural
Area expansion. Um, hi, do you want to introduce this topic and our guests? Or maybe
they need a minute to get set up.
Uh, um, this is not a, a new topic to us. So, um, those of us who have been in the
community for some time have been through multiples of these day, Bob Bay Natural
Area expansions. And, um, this one I believe came out of um a lot of work
by the community for the last decade I would say. And also the um
announcement that Commissioner Franz made in the fall, was it the fall? I was at
a conference so I can't remember the exact month it was, but that she was gonna proceed
with with doing the expansion December in December. Thank you. Um So this is the
result of all that work. And Kristen Olson King from DNR will be pre presenting and
she's joined by Sarah and Diana who I have not met yet. It's nice to meet you, Diana.
And um so Kristen, is this, is this on the green line? Ok, perfect. So, good morning
commissioners. Um As you mentioned, my name is Christian Olson Keane and I'm the
Recreation and conservation Division manager and I'm here with Jana Marshall, who's
our conservation programs division, assistant division manager, and Sarah Agen, who
is our trust outreach specialist. And we're here to talk to you about DNRS proposal
to expand the Bay Natural area. Um Let's go ahead and his finger
up towards you.
I don't care. All right, now, we're OK. So, uh in the presentation, we'll provide
you with background on DNRS uh conservation programs as well as past day by day,
natural resource conservation and natural area preserve expansions. Uh present DNRS
proposed boundaries for a new expansion, lay out our public process and timeline
and answer any questions you may have.
So, DNRS conservation programs, we work under the authorities of two primary statutes.
The first of which is the Natural Area Preserves Act. In 1972 the legislature established
a statewide system of natural area preserves to protect rare plants ecosystems and
wildlife in Washington State. Since these features are described in the act as providing
living museums of the original heritage of the state, we refer to them as heritage
features. Since then, Washington's Natural Heritage Program, which is one of DNRS
conservation programs and comprised of scientists have been collecting field data
on heritage features throughout the state. Every two years. The heritage program,
scientists produce those current lists of Washington's heritage features, including
their current level of protection and therefore their priority for conservation in
Washington's natural heritage plan, which is pictured on the slide. The act also
created natural area preserves as the primary land designation for protecting these
features. And to this day, its designation is the most protective form of DNR conservation.
In 1987 the legislature established a second land designation called natural resource
conservation areas. This designation offers conservation and heritage features as
well as other features with outstanding scenic and ecological values. And in this
designation, there are opportunities available um made available for low impact public
use. The differences between the two designations may be a bit subtle. Uh The best
way to describe it is that in the late 19 eighties, Washington State had two types
of designations available to manage decoration and conservation. On the one hand,
they had natural area preserves that were total protection uh with almost no allowance
for public use. Um The second designation was state parks which were totally dedicated
to recreation with very little focus at, at least at the time on um conservation.
So natural resource conservation areas were created to integrate the balance of the
two uses together, Dr manages the natural resource conservation areas or NRCAS under
our statewide management plan. And as you'll see in a couple of slides day by Bay
Natural Area is really a compilation of natural area, preserves and natural resource
conservation areas. So, uh the process for DNR uses
to determine whether a natural area should be established is depicted on this slide.
Uh So when someone's so starting at the top, when someone identifies a rare plant
or ecosystem, there's a potential for it to become AD nr natural area, uh DNR managed
natural area. However, before DNR considers any site to be established, we look to
our natural heritage scientist to verify that the feature is a priority for conservation
and that it is of a condition that will persist well into the future. Sometimes the
area under consideration occurs on DNR managed trust lands, trust lands are public
lands are not, are not well understood. But the DNR manages on behalf of specific
beneficiaries such as Jefferson County, um as well as K through 12 schools and other
state institutions. They produce non tax revenue through sustainable management of
these resources on the lands including timber. And when contemplating including state
trust lands in the natural area, DNR really wears two hats that of the natural area
manager, complying with the Natural Area Preserves Act and the Natural Resource Conservation
Area Act and that of a trust manager managing for working lands for beneficiaries
in accordance with trust law in these situations, DNR and takes an internal deliberation
process to develop a proposal for a boundary which attempts to weigh our multiple
sets of responsibilities and authorities to determine an optimal outcome. The result
of that deliberation becomes a proposal to Dnrs Natural Heritage Advisory Council.
The council which is created under statute consists of 15 members, 10 of whom are
appointed by the commissioner as recognized experts in ecology and five for appointees
of state agencies. And the council's role is to approve review and approve the natural
heritage plan which I mentioned earlier and to make recommendations on whether new
area natural uh new areas proposed for protection be established as Naps Natural
Air Preserves or nrcas or both. If they make such a recommendation, DN our hold a
public meeting in a comment period to gather public comment on the designation proposal.
We consider those public comments, make any adjustments based on that comment and
then make a proposal to the commissioner of public lands.
Um If the commissioner approves the proposal, she establishes the boundary of the
national area through a commissioner's order. But once the order has been issued,
DNR has the ability to pursue funding to acquire lands within the boundary from women
sellers. Once we acquire lands within the boundary, the site is then registered in
the state statewide system of natural areas and becomes managed by DNRS Natural Areas
program. If the commission rejects the proposal, the site is dropped from consideration.
How does that work? Can I ask one question on that last slide and I can wait till
you're done if you want. I just want to make sure. So natural heritage scientists
the first uh bubble there, that's, that's what N A stands for, right? That is correct.
And are there, is that a department in DNR or is that like a type of scientist? I
guess I'm really glad you asked that question because data really has three conservation
programs. We have what you're referring to, which is the Natural Heritage Program.
So those are the scientists, the ecologists who are out there collecting the data
on where these plants occur, where the animals occur and, and sort of understand
and what their priority is based on how they rank um in comparison to other plants
across the country across the the world. Really? So that's the Natural Heritage program.
And then we have, so they're the science, then we have the Natural Areas program
and those are the folks who are actually managing the acres on the ground, right?
So, employing sort of restoration activities to achieve conservation objectives.
And then we really have a third program, which is called the Conservation Acquisitions
Program, which are the folks who are um working with willing sellers to transact
lands within these boundaries. That makes sense. Thank you very much. Heritage was
my first job out of college. You have any questions about, you know what you speak
Prairies prairies?
Ok. And so, so, yeah, so DNR manages the largest number of sites within the statewide
system of natural areas. Conserving more than um this, I actually, this is older
data I just learned. So this is 100 and 67,000 acres. We're now up to 100 and 69,000
acres um statewide. Um So, and many of the areas are like Deva Bay
where there are a combination of natural area, preserves and natural resource conservation
areas. And so we use the term natural area just to sort of um refer to those areas
and the Deva Bay Natural area. Preserve when it was first created where the, the
spits in the middle of the bay, solely a little bit of upland. But um there were
some species that resided on those spits that were rare species. So that's why that
natural area preserve was created. And when it was expanded, that the rest of the
surrounding area became a natural resource conservation area to allow for more access.
This is perfect. Well, I'll show you some maps that.
Ok. So yeah, so let's um go ahead and, and um take a look at the the natural area.
So as you just described, Commissioner Eisenhower, there's the initial natural area
preserve. Um It was established in 1984 and the purpose was to protect exactly what
Commissioner Eisenhower just described rare examples of intact salt marsh and sand
spit plant communities within one of Washington's highest functioning coastal spit
and to tidal wetlands systems. So the areas in pink are the natural area preserved.
So as we are in 35 acres then,
ok? In 2009, um the commissioner, a commissioner order was issued to expand Day Bob.
This map was attached to that order and on this map, the previously pink areas are
now green and referred to as the natural area preserve. Um But it was with this commissioner
order that the National Area Preserve became a natural area with approximately uh
an approximately 4000 acre expansion comprised of two parts. The first part was an
expansion to the natural area preserve, uh which is depicted in the cross hatch and
preserves all coastal bluffs and short lines that provide sediment and woody degree
or continued ecological function of the natural area, preserved coastal spit, broad
spit, and the shoreline habitats themselves. So that's the natural area preserve
that was expanded. And then the second part of this expansion was the actual establishment
of a natural resource conservation area. Um And that's depicted in the bold black
line. Um And it's designed to really buffer that natural area preserve. Um And it
also protects all the unstable slopes and drainages immediately above the natural
area preserve. Um as well as stands of Douglas for Western Hemlock and Huckleberry
that have little evidence of previous harvest. Um as well as habitat of the marble
roulette, um some watershed protection for uh Coho Hum and Steelhead rods as well
as some weapons. So that was 2009,
there was um the commissioner of public lands approved another expansion in 2015
which included an additional relatively smaller area, which is this in the 2009
expansion that was under Commissioner Goldmark, right, I believe. And then, yeah,
that's definitely under Goldmark is his term in 2016, the commission process. So,
yeah, so this, this piece is the gold market expansion which was 100 and 13 acres.
It's depicted in this red and yellow in case you can see my um mouse Um And so the,
the other thing that this map kind of illustrates is how the ownership within the
natural area changed. So, DNRS uh Conservation Acquisitions program was in the midst
of transacting lands with the willing sellers and all of the areas in green um have
been acquired. So those are showing up as either natural area, preserve or natural
resource conservation area. While the areas in yellow were eligible for inclusion
as up to 2015. And so at the time within that boundary, um which is approximately
4113 acres. DNR own about 2707 acres within that boundary.
And then um the commissioner of public lands. So at this point, I think it was Commissioner
Franz approved another expansion in 2016. Um It says on the map, I'm not sure
that she was elected in 2016. So took office in 2017. We were together the first
time. Yeah. Right. So
unless it was completed in 2017, yeah, I can find that if that's something you want
to look into. So, yeah, so the commission of public land approved another expansion
in 2017, 2016. This did not depicts the natural resource conservation area or NRC
A um expansion in the red and white boundaries. So this area to the east of the natural
area um and allows for further protection of watershed, tributaries and streams leading
to the bay cause it kind of goes all the way down here and that one takes in Thorndyke
as well. Yes, the expanded boundary also includes this net which is a natural heritage
feature, Thorndyke. Um One of the largest and least developed high-quality, salt
marsh estuaries identified in Hood Canal and the straits of Guana Fuca region um
as articulated by the Point to Point Treaty Council in their report of 22,006. So
this expansion brought the Dan Bay National area up to 7750 acres and that's where
we are today. This is a, a map that still shows the same boundary but in um shows
the updated ownership where the areas in green are the natural area, preserves or
natural resource conservation areas owned by DNR. Areas in yellow are areas that
are eligible for inclusion and areas in pink are the areas managed by Dnrs Trust
lands.
So as I mentioned previously, um the establishment of a national area boundary through
a commissioner's order gives the NR A the ability to pursue funding from willing
sellers to acquire land within the boundary. When DNR managed trust lands are located
within these boundaries. DNR utilizes the trust land transfer process. So trust land
transfer allows Dnr to reposition trust lands to better serve trust beneficiaries
and the people of Washington State in situations where there are trust lands that
are both economically underperform and that have either high ecological values or
other public assets. Uh this process was designed to meet those two hats that DNR
wears when trust lands occur within natural area boundaries, natural areas. As a
natural areas manager to fund the lands moving the lands out of trust status into
the natural areas program ownership so that the lands can be managed for conservation
objectives. And as a trust manager to compensate the beneficiaries for the land and
timber values and to be able to purchase more economically productive lands elsewhere
to hold Dnrs fiduciary application to those beneficiaries. So from 2021 to 2022 through
a legislative proviso DNR worked with two work groups to revitalize the program.
This is something that Commissioner Eisenhower knows very well as she participated
in both work groups. The revitalization effort resulted in fundamental changes to
the program to make it more open, transparent and effective. We use the recreation
and conservation office evaluation processes as a model. Um And the trust land transfer
effort established explicit criteria for proposed trust land transfers and external
advisory committee to evaluate proposals against the criteria and explicit explicit
decision making process by the Board of Natural Resources on which proposals to forward
to the legislature for funding. And in 2023 the legislature passed Senate House Bill
1460 to establish the TLT program in statute including the improvements developed
by DNR and the workers.
Ok. So um
oh, I totally, ok, sorry about that. This is gonna be a little bit busy. Um but I'll
just kind of go through it. So, um so in order to understand Dnrs proposal itself,
I'd like to first explain why DNR is considering expanding the de the de ba ba natural
area. And the answer has to do with a 2023 legislative proviso which directed DNR
to identify and designate 2000 acres of trust lands with structurally complex carbon
dense forest features across the 2 million acres of forest land that Dar manages
in Washington, Western Washington. So the provider referred to these stands as carbon
sequestration forests. So, Dnr undertook a significant outreach effort to identify
counties who would be interested in this program in Jefferson County Express support.
Um And so in order to comply with the proviso, and I'm gonna sort of start on the
left hand side of the screen because this is kind of summarizing that first step,
which is um Dnrs um effort to identify the carbon sequestration for us on state trust
lands. So, um so this provides a pass in March 2023. Um And here's a reference here
in case folks are interested in looking this up, but basically, um the provider stated
that we needed to identify structure complex carbon di forests. And so in order to
do that, we have to develop a scientifically based definition for those types of
forests. So we utilize um a known expert in the field of older and mature forests
um ecology whose name is Doctor Robert Van Pelt. And we applied a Doctor Van Pelt's
definition to DNRS inventory of forested state trust lands um to identify all the
stands on DNR managed lands with these characteristics. And then we work with the
counties to refine those results to focus on areas that are adjacent to existing
habitat and areas to improve connectivity to existing conserved areas um to avoid
isolated fragments scattered across the uh trust land ownership. So, in D in um so
what this is sort of showing is that in January 3rd, DNR presented our findings uh
for all of those counties on the carbon sequestration forest immediately or near.
Um uh Well, all the carbon sequestration for us in the counties. We presented that
to the Board of Natural Resources, which is one requirement of the proviso. And then
we um and then we um requested county concurrences by the end of January, January
31st and we'll talk about Jefferson County was way ahead of the game. Jefferson County
commissioners, you submitted a letter to DNR on August 7th um 2023 and I'll talk
about that in just a sec, but just to sort of understand what the proviso says. So
first, we had to identify the carbon sequestration for us and work with counties
on the identification of those carbon sequestration for us. The second step in this
process is to purchase replacement lands for beneficiaries. So by law and before
transferring any um land out of trust status. In this case, car sequestration four
is out of trust status. DNR must identify and purchase replacement lands for each
trust category. And there are some opportunities listed on the slide here for the
public to comment on that. That process, they can come to public hearings that are
held for exchanges. But any acquisition exchange or transfer of trust lands is presented
to the Board of Natural Resources. So there's opportunities for folks to um to provide
comment there. So that was the second step is that we had to purchase replacement
lens and this is listed on the slide as 2024 but there's a double asterisk there
just to sort of indicate that this is really an ongoing process and it is entirely
dependent upon willing um sellers. So um so we're sort of in that in the midst of
that. Now, can I just add that? Yeah, please. So that part of that is looking for
um lands that will replace in the junior taxing districts. And we've been talking
with mostly from private land at this point in our mostly I talked with about this,
but the importance of finding replacement lands within the junior taxing districts
that are impacted by things like the expansion of the day about natural area. That's
great. Can I ask one of the questions? You start stop the structurally complex carbon
dense definition? The van Pelt, you kind of made reference to something I've struggled
with is we've had these, you know, really deep conversations and it's really difficult
to get everyone to agree. What's the rate of sequestration and a growing forest and
a structurally complex forest? I mean, does DNR feel like they have a baseline understanding
of that they can apply to, you know, resource lands in, in different stages where
they can get a apples to apples, I guess, comparison at this point. And, and where
would I find that if they, if, if that kind of uh calculation exists? Yeah, that's
a really good and relevant question. And the way I would answer it is that I think
we feel like we have a scientifically credible definition for identifying stands
with those characteristics and, and we're, and those characteristics are um I think
Van Pelt's work ties stands with those characteristics to this, this statement, this
descriptor, right? That's in the proviso especially complex carbon dense. Um As to
the question of rates of carbon sequestration. Is this about sequestration? Is this
about carbon storage? All of those questions, those are things that DN currently
grappling with just like everyone else is, right? And so, and I think that's gonna
be answered more in the land designation process. So the the proviso says, take them
out as trust status and make sure they have these characteristics, but it doesn't
necessarily say how to manage them into the future. And so I think there's some questions
there that we're gonna have to grapple with on, on what, what, what are the objectives
for these places. And so, um and so that really gets into that third step, which
is what designation should these sands go into, right? They could be natural area
preserves, it could be na natural resource conservation areas. We could create a
new designation, a carbon sequestration for. And then we'll have to really do some
thinking about, you know, what, what are we trying to accomplish and what's the science
that really supports what we're doing there? So that's kind of where we're at, I
think um in terms of the thinking, um and we'll probably have to do some work with
the legislature on that as well because this was a director from the legislature.
Got you. Yeah. No, that's very helpful. Thank you. Um It is very structurally complex.
I find that there's so much complexity or abounding complexity. Um Yeah. So, so that
last piece, um we sort of in that sort of discussion got to the third piece which
is um assigning the designations into the forest to these forest um for us into the
future. And so what we're really proposing the reason, so getting to this question
of like, why are we, why are we expanding, Dave up again? Um What we're proposing
is to expand the day ba ba natural area to include a set of these areas identified
as carbon sequestration forests in Jefferson County Um So we can take a look at where
um DNR identified these carbon sequestration for us in Jefferson County.
Ok. So this is a slide from the um January 2024 board presentation um which depicts
the carbon sequestration for us in dark green, identified around De Bo Bay in Jefferson
County. Um Many of which are in close proximity to the natural area as you can see.
So it's all those green speckles there and the red boundary, it's a little bit confusing
because there's sort of like a larger, there are these roads that look very similar
from this direction, but the, the um the red boundary is the boundary of the Deva
Bay Natural area. Um And so in a slide articulate some of the benefits um of utilizing
these carbon sequestration forest stands to, to fulfill the proviso direction. They're
adjacent to the existing natural area. There is the presence of rare plant communities
or natural heritage features in the vicinity of this area. Um And this area is also
in close proximity to federal ownership. Um The total area of the um polygons in
Green. Um Some to 671 acres of trust lands, 606 of which are for uh state force transfer
and 65 acres are common scale trust lands. So that was um that was the present presentation
that Dar gave to the board after consulting with Jefferson County back in January.
Um This is the letter that the Jefferson County commissioner sent to the commissioner
of public lands on August 7th 2023 requesting that DNR uh initiate the process to
expand Deva Bay Natural area boundaries. Um And a map was provided with this letter
and it was reviewed in consideration of the proposal we're about to share. Um And
I just also wanted to note that the commissioner focused on um, the benefits of an
expansion which would allow Dnr to use that revitalized TLT process. It will protect
globally imperiled forest types and structurally complex car dense forests and will
also improve the economic benefits of forested trust lands to the county and its
junior taxing district through the purchase of replacement lands. The, the point
that Commissioner Eisenhower just made Kristen, can you remind me what are the acreages
by trust? The Common School Trust was? Yes. Um So on this, on this date, um when
we presented this to the board of um Natural Resources, it was 606 acres of state
forest transfer lands and 65 acres of Common School Trust land.
Ok. And so those state forest transfer lands are the lands that benefit junior taxing
districts. So the majority of this proposal is that just calling that out again?
Yeah. No, it's good. It's, it's complicated and it's gonna be clear. Ok. So,
ok, so this map depicts Dnrs proposal for expanding the natural area to include the
carbon sequestration forest as well as natural heritage features that are adjacent
to the natural area. So the proposal includes, I'll sort of use my mouth if I can
here this polygon to the north.
Ok. It just wants to jump. So it's the polygon to the north. There's a poly, there
are two small polygons on the eastern side of the natural area which kind of contribute
to that core, um part of the natural um area preserve. And then there is an additional
polygon located here and then a polygon to the sun was there,
wasn't there a 40 acre marble roulette site up in the northwest corner? So
what you're referring to is um there is an area called Dab West which is a backwards
L shape. And in that, um in that 40 a um area, there is
an occupied marble Miette um site. And that what, so what
we, our proposal is to exclude that from the natural area because the um I
wish this mouse was a little bit more precise, but the, the Murat occupied site is
not adjacent to the boundary of the natural area. There's actually space between
the boundary and the, and the site itself and the site would be protected under DNRS
contact conservation plan. Both the site would not be touched and there would be
a buffer that's placed on that occupied site. What it would allow is for Dr to continue
to do the thinning and other management in that area which is in the Pine Fire district
and school district. So it allows for a little bit more of that um balance of the
responsibilities right to the tax um districts and to the county. Um So, so it would
be managed um there, that's the main difference I think between the proposal that
the Jefferson County made to DNR and what DNR is um proposing sort of counter proposing.
Um There, those two little polygons on the right were also not included in the Jefferson
County um proposal. Um But they contributed to the sort of core um where the natural
area preserve um is, and we felt like that would make a lot of sense. Um And then
these pieces were in the Jefferson County proposal. This was as well. There's a little,
there's a little piece of this that I can't point to with the mouse that's at the,
at the bottom that was included in the, in the Jefferson County parcel. What we were
realizing is we wanted to um that this proposal in its entirety um
protects all of the natural heritage features and all of the um structure complex
for,
uh let's see.
OK, our public process. So, um so what we're proposing, um we wanted to talk to you.
Thank you so much for including us on your agenda so quickly. Um We wanted to talk
to you right away because we wanted to pursue this process and then in a fairly efficient
fashion. We're hoping to publish our public notice for the public hearing tomorrow.
May 29th that opens a public comment period um for uh folks to comment
on this proposed boundary. Um We are, we have a um a public hearing scheduled at
the Coyle Community Center at 6 p.m. on June 17th. So we'll um provide information
to the public answer questions. Um And we're kind of placing that in the middle of
the 30 day comment period so that folks um can utilize what they learned from that
public hearing um in their comments if they desire, um The public comment period
would close then on June 25th. And what we're um pointing towards is um is
a commissioner decision. Um She will uh receive, you know, a summary of the process
maps, public comments and the final boundary to consider her final approval. And
we're hoping to get a decision from the commissioner early to mid July.
And that's the end. I put a bunch of resources for folks. Um I don't know if this
is available. The presentation is available online, but there are links to all of
the um places that are underlined there in case folks wanna dig into either the Natural
Area Program, Natural Heritage Program, Trust Land Transfer or Carbon Sequestration
for us with IO. And that's the end of the resolution. I got a question for you. Nice
to see you. I, I had the honor of walking is that in the uh proposed expansion area?
That is a good question. I can't remember looking at the back. I was like, where
were we close to it? I'm thinking, but I'm not totally sure of exactly in, you know,
I can't remember anyway that it was in the fall. It's a pleasure of Kristen. Um There.
Um Would you mind going back a couple of slides to your timeline? So, um as you probably
know, um we were contacted by The Point No Point Treaty Council asking about uh uh
tribal consultation on this process and um and we were remiss in initiating that
process. And so it was a different, was a different. Oh, sorry, sorry. It's still
a relevant question. I have the same question.
So I feel like we need to initiate that. Um unless DNR is um so just
curious if you have a plan to do that, these are not County trust lands, it sounds
like. So maybe we are not responsible for it, but just want to see where we are and
if that would affect your timeline at all, most of the county, is it? So that the
State Forest Transfer lands are County trust, the 600 acres are during tax and that's
why I called that out. Ok, great. So, yeah, I'd love to figure this out with you
the process of timeline. Thank you for answering or asking that question. I really
appreciate it. Um We are um actively going to reach out to the interested tribes
in the area um with our own um letter for process, the opportunity for them to provide
comment, um requests, consultation and whatever fashion they prefer. Um We
have a really good relationship with The Point No Point Treaty Council as well as
James Town Slam and for gambles Glaum. Um and they were part of the combat process
previously and previous expansion. So we are prepared and ready and we'll do that.
So, um, does the nr have an opinion as to whether the county should be doing that
as well and separately, or can you give any guidance on how we should approach that?
So, as you know, it's always a good idea right to reach out in case there's a question
in this case, my thought is that it's a com it's a commissioner action, it's a commissioner
of public lands action. And so, um, it would seem that DNR should take the lead on
tribal consultation. Um
But again, you know, um because the commissioner, the, the Jefferson County commissioners
have initiated the letter um advocating for um for the expansion, it might be worth
it to just put out feelers to see if drugs are interested in having a discussion
with the county at all. And will you remind me? So this um, 671 acres
total, um will, will the transfer then be from,
um, the two trusts you mentioned into DNR fee simple
ownership then and be a part of the, uh, extended boundary. Yes, that will ultimately
be what happens, the decision that we're making. Um, we're hoping that the commissioner
will make in early to mid July will be about the establishment of the boundary and
then we'll go through DNR, will have to go through the process of identifying the
replacement lands for those, um, state transfer and common school lands and once
those replacement lands have been identified, then Dnr can um
sorry, let me back up a step here. Um What we'll, what we'll need to do is apply
to the trust land transfer process for the 2729 Biennium and what that will do.
So then we'll have an application that will go through the process that the work
groups developed that's embodied in statute. If our application ranks high, then
DNR will um submit that right, that list of, of trust, trust land transfer proposals
to be decided on by the board of natural resources imported and forwarded to the
legislature for funding. If the legislature funds that then DNR will be able to purchase
DNR will take the parcels from trust land ownership, transport it into natural areas,
ownership in a fee simple format. Um And then the lands will be um owned by the natural
areas program. But you can see there's, there are a lot of steps to getting to that,
that end, but that's where we're interested in heading to us. I think the critical
piece was the thing you first said, this is ad nr initiated project and that's how
it's different from the, the projects that you wrote. The letter. In reference to
the four TLT applications that Jefferson County submitted to the trust line transfer
project are Jefferson County initiated projects. So I think that's I'm just, I'm
teasing this out as we go to. Yeah. Yeah, that's helpful. So, um, as you probably
know, the concern of the tribes was ensuring continued access to usual custom hunting
and gathering. Um And do you know how, how does DNRDNR approach that in the, um,
the two different designations of natural areas we're talking about here? So we operate
our natural resource conservation areas in our natural area, preserves under management
plans and those management plans, um, specifically allow for um, tribal tree rights,
um, and
channel. Yeah, just tribal rights generally. So, um, so that's, that is the
management plans that we have in place and are you getting consistent feedback that
they're hoping to see that in the, in these transfers that, uh, that those rights
are still explicitly upheld? And yes, absolutely. I've been in close communication
with Dylan at the point of my training council, um discussing this exact topic and
like Kristen said, the site specific management plans call out um, opportunities
to consult and discuss with our tribal partners how they will access and use the
land and, um, in some cases we have um you know, management goals like links, habitat
protection that our tribal partners are really enthusiastic about and um you know,
might wanna partner with us more. So there's just opportunities for us to collaborate
and work with those segments. Great. Ok. Thank you. That's helpful as we go into
a consultation on the other TLT. Yeah, should be good to have situational awareness
about these as well. Yeah, one thing I, I hope I can add commissioner um in, in those
policies that Kristen showed for the Naps and the nrcas, it calls out um the opportunity
for us to create these management plans which grants tribes access and perpetuity.
Ok. Yeah. No, that, that's a helpful bit of information, the management plan. Thank
you. Can I follow up on the nrcas and Nap si guess. Uh um I, I'm fully in favor of
this and I, I really appreciate just make a comment first that you're having uh the
hearing down at the Coyle Community Center. I think that's really responsive to the
community that's been a big supporter of this project and, and, you know, we often
get some pushback against um some conservation issues and, and a lot of, you know,
positive support as well. I think the natural, the expansion is pretty much full
throated support is what, what I've heard. Um One of the issues or I guess concerns
I think I have is sometimes the management of naps in in, in RCAS looks the same
to people on the streets and access is a real issue. You know, there's like, this
is one of the most beautiful places in Jefferson County. I go there all the time.
I often see people trying to, uh, you know, park on the shoulder less, uh, side of
the road and then go through those dangerous logs at the, you know, at the end of
the bay to get recreational access. I'm not sure if there's any public recreational
access except the boat only access at Broads FT the county park. And I'm just wondering
if as part of the management plan for this NRC A parking, public access for low impact
recreation can be addressed because I think it's uh you will get a lot of uh a real
um swell of support as well as just, you know, equitably giving access to the people
that live there and, and, and recreate in that area. That makes total sense. And
just to get to the distinction between natural area preserves and natural resource
conservation areas, the natural area preserves is really about preserving those heritage
features. And so there's, there's an um intent for there to be very limited if no
public access, but with the natural resource conservation area, that's exactly what
it's designed to do, which is to integrate the conservation and the recreation. So
the way that would work is um once we have an an established boundary, um that gives
us the ability to go to RCO and apply for grants. Um And so right now, for example,
um Day Bob Bay occurs within Dnrs Olympic region. We have our own sort of administrative
areas that we call regions and Day Bob is in our Olympic region because of CC A funding
that we received in 2023 we actually had the ability to hire a natural areas manager
in our Olympic region for the first time in 10 years. So, um so that person is in
the midst of trying to assess where all of the natural areas that both the natural
air preserves and, and and natural resource conservation areas are act currently
in the region because we just have not had the capacity to manage for those. But,
but that, that is the sort of function of that role as well is to assess what the
um what the recreational needs are, the access pieces and, and sort of to stave off
the, the issues that you're talking about which is dangerous, right? People like
parking in those shoulder areas when there's not adequate parking, we have to kind
of balance that also against um concerns tribes have expressed about. Um and that
DNR has expressed about um impact of recreation, especially in the context of the
natural resource conservation area. So we're in the midst of sort of putting those
pieces together, but functionally, um I think what, what things would look like is
um coming up with um proposals that make sense for all the things that we just sort
of talked through um with, you know, making um proposals for funding from RCO um
to help manage for that, that use so that, that people have good experiences, but
that also the resources are damaged. What's the position of recreation manager, Olympic
region? So, so we actually have both, we have a recreation manager in Olympic region
and we also have a natural areas manager in, in Olympic region. And the new position
is the um is the natural areas manager. Yeah, great. Thanks for considering that.
Have we met them yet? I think so. Yeah. Ok. When I play for the jam,
it sounds fun. But yeah, it's my favorite place. I'm spending my 50th birthday on
buffet at the Oh, that sounds awesome. Although I do, I have a little heartburn thinking
is that gonna get over loved if we? Yeah, I mean, that's how pristine it is and unspoiled
is that? I mean, you can't find that. So it's, but, you know, keep keeping the people
out of it. Uh I don't know if that's the right answer. Either. Wallen walled gardens,
no land,
any more questions. I think there was public comment. Right. But you're not asking
us for anything except just to kind of let us know the plans and making sure that
we don't have a problem. Yeah. Right. Exactly. If there were any red flags or any?
Great, great. Yeah, so, so yeah, thank you very much. So, just stay put. We're gonna
open it up for public comment and because you are the subject matter experts, um
We might call on you for any um uh responses if, if necessary, but um we'll open
it up in the room first to see if there's any public comments. We need to do the
mic dance and yeah, if um we'll move a microphone up. Um Big smart.
Hi, Cindy. So you have up to up to three minutes, Cindy. And um, uh I was gonna say,
oh, it's helpful to state your name and your place of residence. So it is not required.
Uh, greetings commissioner and commissioners and staff and meeting attendees. I'm
Cindy Bratz, uh, from Port Townsend speaking just as a private citizen. I strongly
support the De Bo Bay Natural Area expansion and it would go a long ways or at least
be a nice first step toward meeting uh, the crept sequestration that just about thank
you. Thank you. I said else in the room you go online.
Uh Peter Bales. Welcome. No stranger to this conversation. We'll bring you over
no computer and you unmute. I'd love to hear from you.
Are you there, Peter? Fine. Ok. Ok.
Ok.
Right.
Thank you, Peter Cindy Jane. Welcome.
Thank you, Cindy. Great. Any other public comments? Can I respond briefly to p I
appreciate all the public comment. Of course. But it just, it's, it's good to note
that the rhododendrons are blooming right now. It's a great time to be outside and
in those forests because, uh, yeah, it's just beautiful. It's one of my favorite
times of year. Yeah, I should say we're going a little bit late on this. So, um,
anyone's here for the discussion of the, with the letter of support we get so shortly.
Um, one question I had, um we've mentioned Climate Commitment Act a couple of times
is any of the um funding for further implementation of this dependent on future Climate
Commitment Act funding that is subject to the repeal of that he was working. Um
Any, yeah, a, any funding that isn't spent and um by November, you know, is
entirely dependent upon the vote and how the legislature interprets the vote.
So, yeah, so I think, um but there's a lot of work that's happening now and I think
Peter Bale's point was, was accurate. In addition to the trust and transfer pathway,
there is funding from the Clinic Commitment Act to do uh to purchase the trust lands
um in fees. So, um, so dinner is attempt to identify those willing um sellers
um to spend that money as we speak. So the, the funding for this
transfer isn't entirely dependent on Commitment Act funding or is that secured right
to create a sales anyway? Yeah, I think it, it's gonna um if replacement plans are
identified from willing sellers. And DNR can actually carry out those transactions.
Um You know, within Jefferson County and I and within junior taxing district that
the county is interested in, um Then we can then, then the funding is safe, but the
likelihood of all of those transactions happening in such a short period of time
is probably fairly limited. Um So, um so the remainder of the Clinic Commitment Act
funding is kind of out of our hands. It's dependent upon the future. Um But then
the backup option is the TLT um applying for TLT, it's just would extend the timeline.
Thank you. Trust land transfer. It's the answer. You're saying that the entire work
group was about a year.
Anything else? Appreciation?
Thanks for making this the canal. Ok, good job. Ladies. Enjoy the beautiful drive.
Thanks for making it in person. You trained up right on the right way to come. I
heard of the hung around. You didn't hear about him. I mean, obviously I'm oblivious,
keep an eye out for or
unless you're driving.
Um You guys have um Jill Silver is here. Hey, um Jill, if you don't mind,
um I think we're gonna need just a really quick break. We do just a um three minute
quick bio break and um bring you over Jill and then we'll be ready to roll on our
letter of support um In just three minutes. That's so 1041. They,
so some of the problems can't be fixed. What are you spending the money on? I mean,
the shelter uh almost there's a breakdown for giving us a breakdown of the spending
the money.
Great was the
uh huh.
No response.
All right. You mind turning it back on.
Thanks, everyone. I just needed a minute for a quick break. So we are joined by
Jill Silver to get a letter of support for phase six of the wre uh program. So, Jill,
if you don't mind, I'll turn it over to you to, um, just briefly talk about uh what
this phase of the project entails.
Able to,
we can see it just maybe I wanna put it in the presentation. Perfect
work.
Yeah.
So.
Mhm.
That's great.
Great. Thank you, Jill. And you did submit a draft letter of support which was attached
to our um agenda. We could pull that up. Uh
Anyone have any questions, comments? Well, uh, big thanks. It's always good to see
you, Jill and, you know, I don't know, it, it always feels sort of like you're doing
one of the her, an actual herculean task with the noxious weeds on, on the west end
and you always have such a can do attitude, you know, to your
It's about loving to, uh, bring it out to the east end. I think that's something,
you know, we should probably go to the noxious weed board. But obviously we are,
you know, it feels like every, every year that you're not making progress, you are
going backwards. And that's, uh, something that we're definitely encountering out
here. So, um, through the noxious weed board, I'd love to be able to build, you know,
uh, something like this. So.
Mhm.
Right. Yeah. And I guess I'd love to invite you. I'm meeting with the, uh, the ORCA
staff, you know, we've talked about Flame Cap kilns and the rulemaking that's been,
that's, you know, clean area agencies and ecology and everyone is doing this right
now and it would be great to have your, your advocacy on, on when I meet virtually
with ORCA to kind of, uh, to advocate for what those rules should be and, and to
have a, get a perspective into the, uh, orca advocacy, you know, as they're at that
table that statewide table as well
doing that rule writing. Ecology, I think ecology is doing the rule writing. But
I'm, you know, I'm hoping to get. I mean, I think there's a real inconsistency like
Jill kind of slipped over it really quickly. But the distinction between burn barrels
and flame cap kilns is I think what needs to be pushed into ecology and there is
a real distinction, you know, you could take the same thing and make two different
tools out of it. And I think that's the, I mean, I don't know, Jill, if you want
to go into that,
have you successfully? You haven't started doing this with uh your biochar waste.
I'm sorry, your uh scotch room waste yet. Is that right or?
Right?
Gotcha. Really excited. I'll reach out to you about the 17th, but it would be great
to have you there. Thanks for all your work. I, I learned so much. I love the information
about the um scotch broom seed eating bug.
Are there any negative impacts? Like what do they eat if there's no more uh biochar
or scotch broom seeds? Sorry. Scotch broom seeds.
Cool. I'm super, I'm super grateful Jill that you're willing to take on these massive
um I mean, it's not even tasks, it's like wars, war all at war with
amazing species. Ok.
Ladder Fuel.
That's OK. And just so, you know, um we will need a copy of your presentation. We
did not have it in the packet. So thank you. Mhm
Jill. I believe we're still in the public comment period for the um CWPP. So it would
be great to get a comment from you on that.
Well, let me, I'm trying to find the
any questions or comments about the letter of support displayed here. No, I think
it looks great. I'm happy to make a motion. If, if you're ready, there's no more
questions. I'll move that. We approve and sign this letter of support as presented.
I am happy to second that. All right, it's been moved and seconded we do have a public
comment on this item. Is there anyone in the Zoom room who would like to provide
public comment on the letter of support?
Final call for a public comment on the letter of support
hearing. None. All those in favor of Krisher sending the letter as presented. Please
say hi, hi, hi, letter is approved. Thanks, Joe. We will get that off to you shortly.
Great to see you Joe.
All right. That's all we had um on the agenda before lunch, but we were still working
on some briefing. I believe you hadn't finished yours. I don't think right. And then
we'll go to mark. So I think I've only gotten to the canal bridge. Um take that nine.
It's easier to read.
All right. Uh Wednesday at the library breakfast with both of you. And yeah, just
always very impressed with the great stewardship they are doing with public funds
and the enormous amount of use that the library gets and just the amount of innovation
they are willing to adopt. Um take on is really admirable. Um Had a meeting with
Philip Hunsucker on a number of issues around the um fairgrounds. We will have the
uh operating agreement to bring forward to you. Uh like uh it's gonna be a few weeks
cause of the uh fair grads board does not mean for a couple of weeks. So we will
approve it and then give it to us for approval. Um will likely also be coming to
you to ask for funding to remove a couple of derelict structures at the Fair grounds
that are um uh Mr Hucker agreed they are a liability um and uh predate the
Fair Grounds Association contract. So county's responsibility. Ok. What about the
barrels? Uh I think we're good on barrels. Yeah. Yeah. Anything that was at all questionable
was removed and um there are a number of barrels that are used there for various
purposes that um we're not of a risk. Yeah, they've been assessed by environmental
health. Yeah. And a much stricter oversight of what gets brought onto the property.
That's the trouble with a property like that. People bring stuff up for their events
and it doesn't always leave. Then it becomes our problem
uh that we had a good housing fund board meeting, Greg said came up with funding
recommendation to um fund the one year of operations for the shelter downtown, regardless
of who is um uh managing that hopefully, um had a, a
meeting with staff from the State Board of Health. Um You might have heard the EPA
recently released new standards for PF so the what are the forever chemicals they're
finding increasingly in drinking water? Um And so the Board of Health is tasked with
doing rule writing. Just amazing one of those really complex, like how can we make
something so difficult? So right now we have, uh, very Washington State has pretty
strict notification requirements when PFAS is found in drinking water. But the EPA
just lowered the limit with the safe limit, way, way down. And our options are to
either approve the EP A's new recommendations which would weaken our notification
or uh anyway, that the rule of making is very, very complicated. So I think we're
gonna have to go through like a three step year and a half long process to get one
piece at a time. Yes, even though ours are more protective, which is usually the
standard, but it's just the, the language and statute for adopting rules is complicated.
So, um, and I get to sponsor all of that, which is gonna be a bit of a why do, why
do you get to sponsor? Um, we typically appoint one s uh board of Health State Board
of Health member to kind of shepherd an issue through a process. And this is one
because I am kind of closest to in county government, you know, something that counties
will be helping to implement. So if it goes longer, if the matter is considered longer
than your term, you still and somebody else would take it over. But we'll get through
a chunk of it, at least deciding on the process and getting through one or two of
the hearings, there's three different pieces of work now. So hopefully get through
and it's an emergency rule making because it's a real human health. So get done within
a year or two. Yes. Yeah, it should be. Uh, yeah, I think it's about a year and a
half total. Um, and we do, we have a few, uh, there's been a few, well, that have
tested positive in Jefferson County. Massive one on would be Island public water
system was, um, very affected by the use of the, um, thyroid at the, um,
alt field. So that they had to build a home room. Maybe they told me that is the
one that sticks in my head that I heard about. Yeah. Um, uh, the San Juans. They
have a, well, that's tests, you know, just super dangerously high near a fire station
that maybe did some like to put out fires. Um, very rural area. I'm not sure why
it might have been for fun, you know, just like this is why we have to be careful
about the chemicals we, yeah, uh, approved for use. Um,
so, um, more to come on that I met with our new Federal lobbyist, Stephanie Wright
and hopefully she will be joining our state lobbyist Kelsey um, in a few weeks and
they come to do a workshop with us. But, um, Stephanie was Snow Much county council
member and then the Snow Much county policy lead for the, I think the executive,
um, the county executive so very knowledgeable and she'll be a good new representative
for us and she, she's splitting her time between Washington State and Washington
DC. How are things going at WAC? Not much to report at OSS. Um You know, we
finished the uh legislative agenda proposal and I haven't heard anything since so.
Yeah, we'll see. Um And then Thursday did a, a gender review with
Mark, then went to meet uh Jim from the wooden boat school to talk about electric
car charging grants. They're trying to figure out how to implement the grant that
they are eligible for um received through one of the brokers and which we've talked
about them at IC G among other things. Um Friday, um I had a
legislative check in with the Puget Sound Partnership. Um It's interesting hearing
uh still more appetite in looking for ways to make growth management work better.
You know, we talked what came from the county land use side, but then also, of course,
the environmental community is interested um Generally the concept of no net loss
which is explicit and um the Shoreline Master Act less explicit in other parts of
G ma um, there's a sense that no net loss has not been upheld, that, that we have
indeed actually lost a lot of habitat. And so it isn't enforced, it isn't well understood.
It's not um, effective, so enforceable. Perhaps. I mean, if you want to keep building
stuff, can you really do? Can you build a house and have no loss? Yeah. And you know,
we, we, we've heard it from our own D CD that we require planting of native
plants in the, in the shoreline area. And, but then, you know, we don't monitor to
see that those are maintained or that other uses aren't happening in, um, in shoreline
areas after the, um, occupancy permit is signed off on. So there's, um, talk about
how to do better enforcement and talking about what idea we've had is to require
counties to have a plan for how they plan to protect no net loss. And if that plan
is approved by ecology, then it would give a safe harbor and protect counties then
from litigation. Um, if that plan was approved, so, more to come on, that kind of
a new idea for how to do better protection, but also not set up counties for um,
a lot of legal challenge.
Um Let's see, worked a lot, Andreas fairgrounds, things on Friday. Um, also worked
on the letter to the, um, point No Treaty Council which got sent out Friday. Um,
had the radio show told you months, he was on talking about counter rooms and I never
listen to your shows and I, I don't remind myself, you know, it's like if it's not
on my calendar, I don't do it. But I, I always think we probably, I don't even know
if we all have very different styles and, um, depends on who the guests are. Right.
I feel like Monty was great, of course. Um, and I think you play out to,
what's that? What did you play two songs? Um, uh, Willie Nelson on the road again.
And I don't remember, I can't remember. I didn't stick around for the second one.
ok. And that was, that was it. And, uh, just, uh, garden
through the weekend as the rain would allow. I cut down a nest of baby
birds that I, oh, wow. Really? Thought I've had three nests. I've been watching on
my front and back porch. I haven't seen activity for weeks and so cut down a big
dead Clematis and found a nest of baby birds. I tried to recreate a,
in the box and I haven't seen any sign of the mom. So I actually spent a lot of time
just totally sick of myself for doing that.
I thought I was being so careful. It's the one I can't see, I couldn't see in the
nest at all. So I just thought because the other two were clearly they had pledged
that one would. But I have to confess my bad deed. It, but let it go too.
Yeah, I know nature is cruel, but I hate to contribute to it more than we already
do.
All right. Uh Mark. Ok. This will be good on Monday the 20th. Of course, board meetings
and Tuesday the 21st. Uh we have the kickoff session uh with gravity on the county
budget book and my weekly with Josh Piers. Uh Wednesday
budget meeting. Things are looking pretty good on the sales tax front. A little bit
of recovery and hotel motel, but Reed continues to struggle cash balance looking
very healthy. And then we began negotiating with central services. Their contract
has expired. And, and so anyway, they made some interesting proposals that we might
need to bring to the board if we elect to entertain one or two of them
on Thursday exit conference for the audit of the risk pool. Uh They got a
glowing remarks from the state auditor, Super Clean Audit. Um, and then, uh,
Judy Shepherd Normie Riddle, um, Brenda Hunting Ford Kathy Taylor, um
Veronica Shaw from the health department for the first of the two annual report reviews
where we went over all the schedules and I'm doing quite well. I think hopefully
the audit will turn out clean like last year's
and then I missed the reentry initiative open office hours. Then at four o'clock
a you to review with Kate and then IC G meeting at six And then Friday,
I had a couple of internal hr meetings to discuss various topics. And then we had
the second of two annual report reviews where we went over notes to the financial
statement. And then I had my uh biweekly with Mike for, for my tea. And then in the
afternoon I took a tour of the Hadlock sewer construction and the Samantha Harper
uh works come along, things are looking really great. Um I got to see him backfilling
after they put the pipe in the ground and um got a really good uh lesson on how they
joined the pipes together and saw a really cool piece of equipment where he had put
in one section of pipe on this side and another on the other side and then squares
off the ends and then the sides uh meet up in the middle and then they put a collar
on it that heats up and melts the two pieces together. And then uh also
everywhere there's gonna be sewer service. Uh they, they got a stake in the ground
and then they put a little tea in the, in the large pipe um to get to the property
and it's just brilliant work
and uh James's doing a fine job. Excellent. Now,
that reminds me I did, um, I went out to the Norland Star opening on Saturday and
then was when I drove out, decided to give my husband a little tour of the sewer
project. And so it was great to see the, the progress and, you know,
yeah, just, I mean, we just, it was pouring rain. We were in the car just looking
at the various, you know, we could see a lot of ditches have been dug and then, yeah,
I could see both the infiltration in the construction site down the way for the treatment
plant. So they're doing a lot of the underground work and they're building the foundations
and then things are gonna sprout rapidly. At some point. I saw an MBR for sale on
the surplus government surplus website. 50 K for like, almost the same as ours. I'm
not sure if they're actually slightly used, I think, or maybe over purchased. But,
yeah, um, we do some calendaring. Look ahead. Who wants to start, I can start it.
One thing I'm mindful of regretfully mindful of is long-term. Calendaring
is Mark's gonna be planning to transition out of his role at some point.
And I don't know how long in advance we want to start thinking about all of that.
So I just don't want us to get to where the trains screaming down the track. And
we're like, ah, so I don't know how we start that conversation or,
I mean, I think you just did well, there, I started it.
I don't know if that's something that you can check in with Mark on, on your weekly
planning and sure start just so we're planning far enough ahead. Yeah, your cut check
is until end of June next year. June 25.
Ok. Short term calendar stuff. Um, here with you today.
Have a community foundation board meeting this evening. Um, tomorrow
I have a short farm work group meeting.
Thursday is our Behavioral Health o Opioid Funding Planning Summit. I think we're
calling it and then I'm gonna rush out to Mason Street. The senators are gonna be
visiting. No. And I don't know that this Thursday, I'll be there.
So
sorry. Um, is that one of the senate committees? They're doing a big,
uh, a big public thing? I'm not sure. Open house. I'm not sure exactly the title
of the event is,
and let's see, Friday, I have KPTZ and I'm gonna try and pull up that debrief of
the opioid funding retreat. So, for that,
yeah, that's, is that a virtual? I believe I'm part of it. Right. Do we need to notice
that or we're not talking? Ok. Well, I think II I am asked to say a comment and I'm
asked to give a presentation as well. Right? Ok. I didn't know that was, I asked,
I mean, I guess I'm not quite sure exactly what I'm doing. 00, no. You mean for the
Funding retreat? Yeah. No, that is special meeting that you mean the habitat? Oh,
no, no, no, that was just, I'm not talking there. Ok. Um, but where is that, uh,
the planning Maritime Center, Maritime Center. Ok.
What were you saying? You're both gonna be at the Senator's thing too. Uh Yeah, I
didn't know the Senator were gonna be there but II, I mean, just as a, um, like a
ribbon cutting basically. I mean, we're not,
is that Cantwell and Murray or state centers? I'm looking for the invite
Murray Kwe Kilmer
Barringer,
architect and project manager, giving an update on the progress.
Ok.
Yeah. so sorry, that was the end of my looking ahead. Mhm.
Ok. And you're doing the uh radio this week too? Yeah. Right. I just said I've been
maybe do a, a debrief of the opioid. Oh, that's ok. Sorry. Gotcha. Ok, great. Um
I can look at my calendar um obviously with you all today at the,
I had to skip the uh Olympic Consortium Board meeting a couple of weeks ago to go
on the healthier together tour. And so we're, they did not achieve QM. So we're doing
a quick one o'clock meeting today um that I will attend missing the South County
Farm reduction meeting also and intellectual and developmental disability advisory
board meeting later this afternoon as well because we'll be, we'll be here with you
guys. Uh Tomorrow we have our Shelter Coalition meeting from 11 to 12 with many people
invited and lots of updating to happen um celebration of service happening after
that. And then the rehearsal for the virtual interview with the Ed A on Microsoft
teams with the recompete group a little bit more recompete. Um I going through the
script, I don't have anything. I actually have to report on so it's great. I maybe
I'll play the part of the Ed A, I'm not sure. Um meeting, uh Dunia from Jefferson
Healthcare on Thursday for a regular meet up and then I'll be doing a Jeff come in
person at the East Jefferson Fire station out in Chic, come then I'm doing that summit
uh with, with Heidi um that I'm still not exactly sure when in it, I'm talking but
uh I'm gonna be, I guess talking housing and the one Washington mou Appendix a and
finding potential housing applications strategies that mentioned housing started
looking through them. We had some good conversations with some of the service providers
too and you know, uh permanent supportive housing. We've talked about operational
uh gaps. So, you know that and their big gap I think is probably mental health professionals
with permanent supportive housing but, and even transitional housing. So thinking
about what I'm gonna say there. Not sure. Do you know how long I'm supposed to talk?
Five minutes? Five minutes. Ok. Ok. I can, I can be succinct but you can have 10
minutes if you want. I'm sure I would check with Anna I can to get specifics but,
and then uh you know, as is often with these uh transitional last fifth weeks or
I guess it's the fourth week isn't it? No, it, it, it is 1/5 week. We just had a
holiday. Right. Yeah. Um, but I have nothing on Friday, which is great because it's
also the, the end of the term for, uh, my, my school. So I'm kind of wrapping up
some school projects as well. When do you finish your school? Uh, well, I'll be done
with the first year on June 8th and then taking the summer off and not doing any
classes and then doing the second year next year, it's a two year, two year program.
That's my week. Oh, but we should talk, um, uh, on my spreadsheet for KPTZ. Uh, this
week with Heidi is the last week that I have booked. So, do you guys wanna spend
a little time? Oh, I'm actually, I'm leaving town. Oh, wait,
I don't think I'm going to the Mason Street. I might even have issues with that opioid
thing. I hope my wife is not on here. Hm. I'll check that.
You'll probably be getting texts. Uh, hm. Yeah, I think we're going to do Bay this
weekend and then travel, travel to Ors Island is a challenge. Um, did not,
can I virtually attend the summit to speak? I believe. So, we might have to plan
on that for that. And I might miss the Mason Street project because I did not have
it on his calendar. So I'm probably out of the office on Friday. I think I'm on Orcas
Island. Lucky you. Lucky me. And that's my week. Oh, but yeah we can we talk
about
travel up? Ok. So let's see. It would be
um this week I have this 30 May but it's really 31 May
27 and then 67. Mm and then we get
614
doing that here.
Do do do um so you here I cannot do
this.
I can
mm let's see. One's here. All right. So
the seven
in the normal rotation it would be great but I can, I can do, I can do the seventh
Greg and then it would be Kate after that on the 14th.
Any chance you could switch Craig, I could, I could do the 14th instead of the seventh.
Is that what you mean? I have no
problem. 21st. How does that look for you? Heidi? Um 21st looks good for me.
Oh, nice high school graduation. All right. And then the 27th is actually
bad for me. Family reunion. That is in the area. Wait 28th. I mean, yeah,
surrounding
and can you do? Is it? So I have ad nr meeting that
but would consume that. Yeah, I have a I could probably do it though.
There's like 10 dates held. I mean, I I'm I'm not available that day. Just put me
in there twice in a row. Is it, is it twice in a row? No, 621. 628. Ok. I'll do
a two part series. Yeah, totally. Um, and then I could do, I think
so. We're talking that I cannot July 5th. Do we want to do July 5th? I guess. Do
we want a break, take a break for the holiday or anything? You still gotta fill the
air time? You can do it. 75. Ok.
I can do that. The 12th.
Correct. Mm.
So 19, so that takes us, The 19th is hard for me, but I could do the 26th.
Um I think naturally, wasn't it? Yeah. Um
uh the 19th is a challenge for me to. I've got an Olympic Consortium board that I
missed last. The last one. Can you do the 19th case? No. Really bad for me. I'm supposed
to be on a 1230 ferry. I have a reservation. Uh Well,
ok,
we can ask somebody else to fill. I've missed three sack meetings in a row. I should
either resign from the Olympic Sanctuary Board and Greg should do it because it's
in his district or,
or I should do this KPTZ. I can get someone else to do it. Yeah. Well, we'll just
put a question mark there. We're, we're into July now. So let's, let's, let's uh
put a question mark there. I, I might be able to be done um with the wait. So I forgot
my, the cadence here. So we started, I think the 19th was supposed to be me. But
right. But you've got two. Yeah. 620. 0, so we started with you this time so we could,
we'll just uh maybe have someone else uh on July 19th since UN unless I'm happy to
do it, I can do it with Olympic Consortium Board. Mm Put a question
mark there.
OK. And then uh July 26th
that I can do that there. OK. So 82.
Are you here for 82 K? Ok. That gets another couple, two months.
I will save my work. I know that uh Wendy Davis's often comments to me, it'd be great
to know what you guys are doing a little earlier so they can actually we can uh promote
it. So as much as possible, I often decide on Thursday but uh if you know beforehand,
make sure to let Wendy know. So if you can push it out. Ok.
All right. And that's, that's it for calendaring for me, I guess. Ok. Mm,
we look ahead. Mm. Short week. It's nice.
Um depending if we get out early at all today, I have a couple of things that um
could do this afternoon. So, and it's a regional Transportation Planning Organization
funding meeting um at three if we get out in time I missing a Jefferson transit climate
action plan meeting. Unfortunately, these Tuesday things aren't normally, of course,
uh tomorrow we have a meeting with uh rural development on our childcare funding
um grants with Amanda and Y MC A and others. Um I'm meeting with a couple of constituents,
um meeting with uh Shannon Burns to talk about the um State Senate
committee who is going to but um to visit Proctor House and I um
in the Nest. And so I'm planning for that visit another childcare team meeting.
So that's Wednesday, Thursday.
Um The preparation for the Puget and Partnership Leadership Council meeting, which
is the following week. Um The wack bylaws committee meeting, we hopefully we'll be
finalizing our recommendations for the whole was a membership to vote on four weeks
later. Uh gender review with Mark Thursday and
Friday after some medical appointment in the morning, I'm hoping to take the afternoon
off.
That's it for me. Uh How about you? Mark? Ok, like you said short week. So Wednesday,
uh woman, one with Brent Butler and then Judy Shepherd and I were meeting uh with
Judge Mack and then we sort of changed up how he manages his court commissioners
and that's having some budget impact. So we just need to sit with them and have a
discussion. Um, regular shelter coalition gonna continue. Ok. I I will likely miss
the beginning of that, but we'll join when I'm done with Judge Mac. And then in the
afternoon, a negotiating strategy session with the sheriff um staff, David Fortino,
Jono, Andy Prin Steiner and Jim Moore uh regarding the correction skill and they,
on Thursday, uh Jeff come admin board meeting in the morning and then the opioid
uh planning retreat at the Maritime Center and then Mason Street neighborhood uh
event by Habitat and the gender review of four. And Kate and Friday is kind of a
light day and I have one meeting scheduled with uh Josh Peters. It's not all right.
Um I suppose, uh do we wanna look ahead at any uh summer plans
or get stuff on, get me vacations on the calendar
the sixth of June, we'll be headed down to campus Washington to see my grandson graduate
from high school. I never see the grand graduating from um and then from there, we're
gonna fly to North Virginia. We rented a house on the outer bank in North Carolina
and we take my daughter's family there for a week and I'll be back in the office
on the 18th. All right,
have a great time. Others have. I know um I'm gonna be gone. I have to do a actually
looking in a this is done. I have to go say goodbye to a beloved aunt um at the end
of this month. And so June. No, sorry July first. I will be
virtual. I probably would ask one of you to chair I can join all day. I'll just be
need to be virtual. When was that? Sorry, June 20 July 1st. Just doing a long weekend.
But I'm here. Yeah, me too, by the way. Yeah, if you wouldn't mind sharing, happy
to do it. Oh, I look at the 20 as I say, I'm, I'm gonna miss the 29th but it's 1/5
Monday. So you will not be missing on July 29th.
I need to take a lesson from UK. I have no vacations planned year too.
Yeah, it is to get them on the books early. I mean, why would you want to leave the
peninsula? You can, you can staycation best time of year to be here.
Anyone else have any? No, no big ones. This, this, this one, this weekend is really
the biggest one I have planned. Oh, and that week around the Fourth of July was just
kind of a long family reunion here. So that in and out, I have a, a couple of one
night work trips coming up next week, I'll be gone Wednesday and Thursday over on
Whidbey Island with the Puget and Partnership. I think it, I think it's like three
weeks in a row. Then 10th and 11th. I have to go to Vancouver Washington for Board
of Health. And then is it like the same week? I have to go to Vancouver Washington
twice in a row, maybe two weeks in a row or, um, Association of Washington Cities
is where the MRSC board meets once a year. So 22 quick trips to, um, A WC. But I'll
be gone a little bit more than usual. I talked to the Board of Health, the State
Board of health into taking the train, riding the train to, um, Vancouver Washington,
which should be fun meeting at various points from north to I'll get on in Tacoma.
Ok. So often gone more than usual. Just some quick trips away. Yeah, some fun for
me. Yeah. Those cities conferences are the best. They really know how to let loose
and plan. They, they fight less than counting, I think. Right. Because they all,
you know, I'm gonna go back to my house and you go back to your house. Right. There's
a little less overlap. It feels like. Yeah. All right. Anything else? Verify one
thing, it's Greg and Heidi, you are both gonna be at a meeting. Do you need a special
notice this Thursday? No, Anna already, Anna mchenry already noticed it as a special
meeting. The AC C our office has to do with the SCC notice. I thought I told her
to check with Caroline. Ok. Maybe they're talking.
I don't know, we might want to follow up with Anna if Carolyn's gone for more than
today and I will check my travel plans to make sure that I will not be, you know,
in the middle of a ferry ride where I might not have. Uh I'm sorry, I was, didn't,
didn't have all my calendars aligned. It's such a bummer the, so now our, you know,
our outlook won't sync with Google anymore. Is it?
Yeah, I try to keep it a little separate but I gotta just bring other stuff in. I
put it all on my work calendar.
All right. Anything else before we recess for lunch? No. Ok. Let's recess until 130.
Is there a wack thing today? Um,
not about tracking those. I'm sorry? Ok. I've had so many new readings.
Hello? 130.
Right.
Yeah, it's a very concrete presentation. Yeah, it looks like you're ready to present.
I,
that I was just saying that, you know me,
let me call us back in the session.
Ok. Ad L we are coming back after recess for the gift that keeps on giving or, um,
hearing and hearing our ordinance on ordinances. Um, I, I'll hand it right over to
you though.
Good.
Mhm.
Ok.
Wow,
that sounds amazing.
Oh, we better do a field trip. Tuba. Taha. Oh, I'm muted.
Tuba.
Hey, this is Mark. I just sent you a note in, in the chat. I think Josh, um, at 132
just sent another email, um, suggesting additional changes. He, he might take a moment
to read his email or maybe Josh could maybe bring Josh.
He's here. It's better.
No, he's not on the call. Yes.
Wow. Hey, Josh, do you wanna, uh, describe the need for the proposed changes?
No, at all.
Uh Oh, yeah, I see. Gotcha. Yeah.
And that, that was my understanding of the concern that was raised.
Yeah. Ok.
Yeah, I think those are good clarifications. Josh, you too.
Does anyone have any other sections they'd like to discuss? I think that was the
last sticking point. I think we've been through this a number of times. In fact,
I'm happy to make, I have the right language though. Kate will stop me. I'm trying
to think if we should. Um, let's see, we closed the hearing, but the language is,
did we close the hearing? I think I closed the hearing but then we decided we were
gonna take written comment. It's in the um agenda request here. So it says something
like unless extended by the board of county commissioners. So, um, so do you know
if I'm in a public hearing to just open it up for, for testimony or if we said the
hearing was closed? Is that closed? I think the question was how substantive would
the changes be that we're considering today?
Ok. And maybe we won't call it testimony. Ok. All right. Um Before I do that, any
last requests for additional um sections to consider? No, appreciate it. Ok. Um We'll
go ahead and open this up for public. Do you want a motion first? Oh, yeah, sorry.
Thank you. You're, you're on it, Heidi I know. II I don't, I'm not, I can't get to
the language. I will move that we approve as a modified
here, an ordinance, adopting rules for the adoption of ordinances, resolutions and
motions in Jefferson County. I'm happy to second that it's been moved and seconded,
um, open it up for public comment. If anyone in the Zoom room would like to comment
on, uh, the changes made here today, please hit Minnie's hands.
Last call of what come.
All right. Um
Hearing them, we'll close public comments. Any final discussion, the work.
All right. Um Sorry, now I am without the language in front of me. Um All those in
favor of adoption of the ordinance as amended here today. Adopting rules production
ordinances, resolutions and motions in Jefferson. Please indicate by saying II I
ordinance is adopted, motions approved ordinance is adopted finally work. Thank you,
Phil 40 S diving trips. Ok. That yeah. Right.
Ok. Thank you. And thanks to Josh for your uh sticking with it till we get it right.
Copy ad L as well. Carolyn's out today.
Thanks.
Yeah, welcome back.
We don't have anything until 230.
Mhm. You can tell when he's uh quickly back from early, back from vacation. He's
always wearing a suit and tie. It's good. Now the beard starts growing in again too.
He doesn't have to keep the mask off his face.
Uh Well, we could do things below right where there were things with. No, we can
do that. We do expect um Greer, I invited both he and Heather and he responded that
he could join us at 230. So we should definitely here to the calendar. We will do
that, but we could look at the um proposed sponsorship program for qualifying activities.
Yeah. So, um, that up to you, Mark.
No, I'm not getting to the right. Hm. Looks like the letter from
Little, didn't make it on the agenda with the agenda request. But, um, anyway,
uh, East Jefferson Little League on May 16th, um, announced that they had been selected
to host a major league baseball tournament for the Washington District two Little
League conference for 2024. Um I guess they're gonna play out on Elkins Road and
um they asked for county support and kind support uh through brush cutting and providing
signage and traffic cones. And um they also asked for direct financial contribution
of $2500. And um in checking with public works, I think that one of the commissioners,
it was me, I talked with Matt and Monty both and they both said they, they didn't
have the bandwidth to provide that support. And so Matt also indicated that there
used to be a small grant program that parks would
deploy. Yeah, and then that went away some time ago.
So in, in looking at the activity that um is, is occurring here, you know, the county's
got a very strong recreation program which is designed to pro provide access to sports
uh for our uh our youth, for adults. And this looks like a,
an event that is in the same vein. Um I don't know how many kids will play, but um
it looks like several of our adjacent counties, kids at Pierce Mason and Clallam
will participate in the tournament. It begins on the 29th of June and runs for several
days. Mhm. And so, you know, uh I think I shared an MRC opinion on
summer celebrations and events of this sort and how um if, if it's a governmental
function um that it's ok to expend resources in support of events of this sort. And
so, um I'm recommending that you approve the $2500 in direct financial support
and um further direct staff to develop a formal sponsorship program to replace
the one that the county used to have um in the amount of 10,000 a year using uh g
funding resources.
All right. So two, I think two pretty distinct actions to consider here. Um So, should
we take them one at a time? I'm happy where we start. I'm happy to move that we approve
$2500 to East Jefferson Little League to support their upcoming championship tournament
a second. Um And I assume this is not an annual, uh, we have not hosted it on a regular
basis. So this is one time
you want to represent. Yes. No, it's great that, that, that we're hosting it. I just
don't, you know, wanna be clear if we're committing to an annual event um or not.
So, no, this is for 2024 for the June 20 tournament. Did public
works to speak to the signage and traffic cones issue like they don't have capacity
to, for that either. It was a blanket. No, just because of all the stuff that's going
on with the sewer. And plus they have that, that re signage program, you know, state
money that we're spending to redo signage all over the county.
So, ok. So I suggested to Gavin that, you know, we rent a mower
from Olympic equipment rental in Hadlock and I'm happy to drive it down and mow it
around. But there's got to be someone with a brush hog that wants to come down. Yeah.
Yeah, they have some great volunteers in that little league. All right. Um Well,
let's open it up for public comment. Uh I see the motion on the table is to approve
the $2500 request from little to uh do, can we call it a sponsorship or
is that called a sponsorship? In that case? Do, is there any recognition of? Yeah,
I, I think in order for it to qualify as a sponsorship, we should probably give them
a banner or some kind of sign to put up. Sure, we your support you. Ok. So I wasn't
sure if your motion called for sponsorship or just a contribution. I think I said
support. I would take a friend friendly amendment of the sponsorship. I, I guess
if we don't know that it's officially sponsorship, maybe we should just leave the
support and we would be happy to. Yeah, that's fine. I mean, I, and just as a comment,
it's great that we're doing the $10,000 program because, yeah, you know, it never
quite seems according to Hoyle to respond to these catch as catch can as they come
to us. But, you know, this is, I want, I want to support this, but just great to
set up the program again so we can have that dedicated fund that is always there
for, you know, this kind of activity. Yeah, let's discuss that.
All right. Um So open up for public comments. Um There's no one here in the room
with us. So, would anyone online like to comment on the uh motion on the table to
support the Little League?
Uh what's it called? Um um um um the, the um Washington District
two Little League conference majors baseball tournament tournament. Thank you. That's
the word I was missing the tournament. Uh Would anyone like to provide public comment
on the motion on the table?
All right, hearing them of those public comments, any additional discussion? Ok.
All those in favor to support the league 225 $100 please say II I motion
carries. All right. And let's uh discuss the um
larger question of a sponsorship program. Um Mr Malley has recommended $10,000 annually.
I actually recommended a higher amount and I then there was some pushback and when
we want to um, consider some guidelines around that, you know, that it be a nonprofit
that we put a dollar limit on those. I'm thinking twe 10,000 would go very quickly.
It would be, uh, three or four of the types of requests that we've received even
just recently. Um, I mean, I think $2500 seems like about where we've been comfortable.
This is about what we did with T lab, isn't it? Or do we do a little less? Yes. 22.
Ok. So, I mean, it's right in the range where it can make a meaningful difference.
But, you know, you know, the 10,000 we could do, could do four a year. That's, you
know, about how many we're getting right now. So it seems appropriate. I could see
if we had a program though. It would, we would get more requests. Um, maybe, and,
and then what are the guidelines, I guess? Yeah. Yeah, that's what we wanna consider.
If we could, if we did one of the questions, is it kind of first come first served
throughout the year that once it's gone, it's gone. That, that doesn't seem entirely
fair. Um, if we didn't want like $1000 limit that would go to, you know, get spread
further. Are, are these for, um, events that are for the community or for
events that are for tourists? I mean, you know, they're very just, we have, you know,
lodging tax funds that go to events uh in direct contradiction of our own code uh
quite often. But um um yeah, I mean, I was like, so what kind of we're just talking
events? Right? That's so that's one big guard rail. I mean, I wonder if Matt had
um guidelines for his previous program and if we're just trying to reignite that
program with a different source of funding, what, what I would suggest, I think having
a resolution establishing this program makes sense. Um And we could workshop the
resolution and I could check in with, with uh Matt Tyler to see what guidelines I
had previously and I can check with other counties and, and then of course, the MRSMRSC
guidance was pretty helpful. Yeah, it sounds good.
Yeah, we don't have to. Yeah. No, that sounds good to me. Mark that sounds good to
me. So I I'll move that we direct staff to develop a formal sponsorship program uh
to be funded annually
a second
drinking right to leave it a little looser just so we don't know
what will discover when he starts his research.
And I will also say that, I mean, it doesn't necessarily have to come from general
fund too. We can also look at other funding sources potentially.
Mhm. Ok. Um All of them is up for public comment too. Would anyone like to comment
um with the motion to establish a community events funding line in our uh annual
budget to be de details to be determined at a later date.
All right. Very. No, I'll call the question. All those in favor. Please say hi. Hi.
Hi. Motion carries right the Fort Mark. Thank you. Thanks, Mark.
And that was supposed to help fill our time. But, oh, yeah, I'm done. Um, should
we look at boards and community vacancies?
So I take a nap. Kay just got up done with it now.
I guess she needs to go to my house to take it out.
Maybe captures
Dragon right now. Oh, mine's just really b
mhm
So we have your health advisory committee. This
my question is always, is that something they want help fill or do they prefer to
focus on themselves? I think that's, I think Anna usually does a good job. 77.
Same with conservation futures, right? Yeah, tan is on that. Definitely,
I'm having a hard time. Uh How did you, did you twist it? I Yeah, I hit the rotate.
Mhm.
Um That one I've kind of given up
housing fund board. Those committees. Can you guys read? Yeah, three housing fund
board members for the data and needs assessment committee. That's not quite accurate
because we have two, at least on there right now. We should update that. I think
there's three coordinate entry advisory board. We definitely did. I think we were
talking about, we did appoint uh Audrey Morford our newest Housing Fund board member
to the coordinate entry advisory board and we just have one member there. So, I think
that's been addressed. And all right. And now was that the, just last week? And then
the Community Conversations Committee is full. I don't think it needs anyone. Oh,
I guess because I don't know who vacancy. No, it was, uh, Liz, I guess
we have one public vacancy.
Um, and then the Funding Opportunities Committee has really been, uh, not, is not
active, so we don't need members on that. Ok.
Behavioral health will have another vacancy with
is, and being on,
that'll get reappointed though. Right. Yeah, this is the city
Knox. The sweet for district two. So, is that up to date or is there another? And
district four is, um, is that, that's, and that would be you and we, we could both
serve on it. Oh, we could, although I don't know what the noxious weed district two
is actually, is because it's different districts. District four is an interesting
one.
Um, what do we lose from the parking that go?
It was a name I didn't recognize but it was just in the last couple of weeks. Mhm.
Jeez. There have been two collisions on 104 in the last hour. Really? Yeah. Is a
lot of stuff. Lots of rubber necking maybe. Oh, I think people would be going slow.
11 was at center road the other at South Point. That's right near the round. About
right. I mean, the say that again. One was at South Point Road, right near the
bridge. Was it center?
Should the noxious weed control board go down to community boards and committees?
It's an, it's an enforcement board and not an advisory board.
Um,
it's a clerical.
I'm not sure. Um,
I think, I think the ones above, under the boards and committees are the ones that,
you know, have, are required in statute, like, connected to us somehow. The Jefferson
County Library District we've just been told is required by statute. We just don't
have
no, I think it's required by state law as well. I asked about
the fairy advisory committee. You know, we appoint people to that the noxious weed
board in the same way. It's an enforcement board. So they don't, they're not advisory
in any way they make their own decisions. It might be a very arbitrary distinction.
Yeah. So I don't live in district two. District two is, um
Gardner, Cape George Road. Ok. Cape George
Garden. Yeah,
Cape George largely. Ok. So we should be able to feel that we should.
Sorry, I got sucked into, I got sucked into the weeds. Nice one.
Where were you guys at? Um, I'm just trying to decide what the, um, the two categories
he listed here. How important those are. Should they really just not being normal?
Boards and committees and community boards and committees? Yeah, I don't know what
the difference is. Yeah, maybe we should just combine them. Yeah, I mean, we had,
we don't really have oversight over the, you know, North Pacific. I guess we do Pacific.
Ok.
Um,
you have one bit of business and taking care of this week. Oh, sorry, go ahead. Mallory
resigned. Oh, that's district one from the Parks and Red, right? And then District
three, was it? Tim? RMA. Rimma?
Uh, let's see, re two reappointments.
No,
I saw John look. Maybe we can bring him a note.
I do have another bit of business. We could take care of a week early. We wanted
to
anything else on boards and committees or are we ready to move on? Right. But,
oh, let's hope I can find it. So um
sorry, I might not have it. Uh We were asked to provide a letter of support to
here. Uh Public Health would like to apply for more funding from the state
department of Health funding opportunity for school based health um center operations.
These are the operational funds for schools, school based health centers at Chimica
and
cosine. Uh funding will go towards current medical services at these clinics and
ongoing needed supplies as our paraded funding is intermittent and challenging. This
in turn will help keep our mental services more sustainable as well. Um There's a
letter of support we wrote in 2022 but I do not have the um
I'm not finding a word version of it to easily change. Does anyone remember writing
this Ok. No, no,
I could ask Susan if she has a, um,
let me look again.
We will promote three letters of support that week. What was the, uh, what was it
called again? Um, this one is, is now called SBHC letter of support. Like the
PDF I have, which I just can't easily.
It's per dash bocc and see this school based stuff.
Ok. Ok.
Yeah, I don't have my document.
It would be a whole lot easier to edit this in. Oh, well,
at least send it to AD L to um convert but obviously be at a later date but not,
not at this moment. Good. Although we could recess have a go convert
this to word. Sure. If we could also complete it next week, I was thinking we would
do it next week just because I got this late Friday afternoon. Yeah, I think next
week is fine. Ok. I'm also bringing the, the Bigfoot Proclamation next week. They
were uh Becca Jones, you guys up for a Bigfoot Proclamation. Somebody requested it,
didn't they? It was requested. Clallam and Mason counties have done it. I've modified
it. I replaced so squat with Bigfoot. Would you like to see it for consideration
next week? You're skeptical, I'm skeptical,
I would like, you're not a believer.
I want good, good science backing your policy decisions. Um Not seeing good science
then. Well, I also, I mean, they definitely the kids were focused on the uh natural
habitat and, and all that. I also added a little, uh, Joseph Campbell because our
myths are very important.
I talked to the fourth graders about it here. Oh, what did they say? What was their
opinion? Um, they, they were mixed but they did have the feeling that, you know,
what's, what's good for Bigfoot is probably good for other, um, pictures in the forest.
And so providing that protection is precautionary. And, um but some shared my feelings,
I did not share my feelings, but they shared the opinion that there's no evidence
that Bigfoot exists. So because they're quantum being that doesn't exist on the same
reality as us. But
I think that I think we only have jurisdiction on this quantum reality, only one
quantum reality. OK. Uh It's good to be open to different futures too. Well, I mean,
I said, whereas even if Bigfoot does not exist the idea and folklore behind Bigfoot
bring attention to our, our stewardship of the natural landscape and reinforces the
mystery and metaphor that Bigfoot represents. So there's a typo on the top. Oh, what
was that? There? There's a, there's a return various states.
I was trying to make it make sense, but then I realized it was a type of
spell Washington correctly too.
Um
I think I would, I would feel differently if, if it was a local group requesting
this or um I don't know, do we know if do our local tribes have, uh, any perspective.
Um, I know that there's different, uh, tribal. I don't know, I don't know, the tribal
perspective.
I, I'm not gonna be a total grump about it. I will support it, but I, yes, I'm,
I'm a very literal person. Um, no, I, I can understand that. I think I, I like, I
mean, there's a little bit of mystery out there. You know, the Big Foot is, I always
saw, saw Bigfoot like the Lorax, right? So I mean, the Lorax doesn't exist either
but his, I believe that's his pronounce his, his lessons still resonate with me.
Yeah, it's true.
Bye.
Do we spend time, you know, creating policy around lore? We have not
yet. So,
La Tribe created an exhibit that showcases Sasquatch through native perspectives
who would Sasquatch well. Uh and award was won by a Canadian Westerner.
OK. Developer your arguments, all theories and rationales. But I
mean, I can go into the whole quantum Bigfoot theory if you want nes and aliens and,
and the Gen Bank uh experiments with DNA
fucking me more. Joseph Campbell. OK. Here with 1000 faces mono myth. OK. Yeah. Yeah.
No, II I can appreciate that school of thought. I'm just not used to like merging
it into this world, right? Yeah, I understand. It's a new Bigfoot story, you know,
base camp going into Wilson as well.
This is interesting while Sas Sasquatch also known as the crew by the crew named
Bigfoot has seen its popularity soar in the mainstream. It hasn't been the case for
Zzz
Zuno Qua stick Indians or slap yet. All and more are mysteries being thought to have
inhabited the mountains and coastlines of the Pacific Northwest. So it sounds like
there are many you might want to include other names. Yeah, I'm happy to uh via inclusive,
I mean, I think there's metaphors for the deinstitutionalization of our, of our uh
our most marginalized people too.
Yeah. And it would be interesting though to hear the take of local tribes on it within
a reference, tribal beliefs. All right. Not
I get it done. I told him it was going to be on the, on the 63 agenda though. So
I was going to try and make it
all right. Well, should we recess until 230? No, we got to let it. Yeah,
I can email it to you and no, I don't get, you know, but if we take a 20 minute recess,
but I found the word version from 2022. 0, nice, good. You see um letters and memos.
Great. So you can get in there right now. OK. Yeah. Um Well, we could edit it in
real time right now. Let's do it. OK. Correspondence, you say no, no. Um G group
Bocc letters and memos.
Thank you. See who found it too? I mean, who wrote it?
No, maybe he won't tell us about it.
I in.
So.
Yes,
looks like the same letter.
Yeah, but we did, we added some more relevant. Let's see.
Oh, yeah. There it is. Mhm.
Ok.
Look at the,
what's that? You're looking at the word doctrine for April 8th 2022. Yes. Um, there's
two and one of them is the one that is somebody sharing their screen or did you go
do that? Do you have that open Greg? I do, I can open it. I don't see. No, it's ok.
I have it but I'm just curious if
I'm trying to see if I wrote it or not when I open it. It has, I see my name on it
but I'm curious if it does for you as well. Uh But it, it could just be,
I just want to know if I wrote it because I, I definitely did not write it because
I would leave more, way more space above April 8th. I would never leave it in Times
Robin. So you can, so it must have been the format of the letterhead and staff does
that. I usually do text. I usually do. Um I mostly I just wanna know because I'm
um I feel like my file it, my saving system is failing me and I wrote it and I didn't
save it in my letters, sent 2022 folder which you're very organized and
not. But anyway, so we could consider changing this for um, this year.
Uh let's see 28
the first use of SBHC should be written spelled out with it is. Oh, it's down there.
Ok.
Mhm.
You wanna take up expansion funds? Um
is are we in a particular time when the demand is high or is it just remain high
coming out of COVID? I mean these funds will be used to continue and expand services
provided in our SBH sees at a time when demand is high. Hm
I demand is still high. The phrasing needs to get changed at the beginning of the
second page where it looks like we're still we got a lot of, well, I don't know,
given the known and unknown impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic on our teens, I would
say just giving the uh large impacts on the on the COVID-19.
I feel like a little bit of um verbiage in here about how successful or kind of the
metrics of success that our school based health clinics have found. Because when
we wrote this letter, I think it was before we had any school based health clinics,
right? So it's kind of uh oh no, we've had them for many years. Not in all the schools.
I mean, we have just one, right? One at Port Townsend. Yeah, I can't remember when
Chic and lysine started. They, it's been like uh certainly it was before 2022. Turn
on turn. Really? Yeah, that's, I mean, getting some information about just successes
regardless of when they were started, might, might make this stronger. I mean, I'm,
I'm happy with everything that's in here. Hm.
Do the chip and chow still have a working group focused on? Ok. Yeah, you still need
that. Should not third bullet. It should be S DH C. This is right. It's not just
one of them
mentioned an acid earlier.
Ok. And then play right after that basic.
Mm.
So, uh, do you think we should refine it and bring it back next week? I don't know.
I mean, we can make it stronger. This is like the same one that we sent last time.
So I mean, if it's the same board, he's reading them, they read it last time. That's
probably true. I mean, I I'm fine with this. I think it's, it hits the high point.
So if we want to just get it done. OK.
Yeah, I think so. I I agree that that's the important point to just able to serve
um population that's hard to serve. Um SBHC is provide a great venue for that.
There's an extra space in the caring before carrying, I think
fill out the Bocc.
Do we want to say anything about it at, at the bottom? Um There was something about
COVID and it just feels like we could be more. I mentioned that caring for the vulnerable
hyper but especially now given the large impacts of the COVID, the large impacts
of the COVID-19 pandemic has had on our teens given the large impacts the COVID.
Yeah, that's better. It's strongly to partner.
Yeah. Should be youth, not just teens.
Sure. Yeah. The um with uh although this doesn't cover the middle first,
middle school clinic and high school would all be teens. Bye.
Yup.
I'll move that we approve, signing this letter as amended today. All second. All
right, we have a motion in a second to approve this letter of support to the Department
of Health for school based health centers. Would anyone in the Zoom room like to
provide public comments?
The last call. Would anyone like to be public comments on the letter of support here?
All right. Is public comment any further discussion? All those good. All those
in favor, please say I hi. Hi. Ok. The letter is approved. Um
You see that font is different under Greg. It's a different font. He doesn't like
times Roman. I know but all letters one font in that last
two words,
Eagle Eye Eisenhower, eagle Eye Eisenhower like that.
Things don't take very long when you're trying to fill time. Yes. Mm. I'm gonna
make sure this ends like in my right folder this time
I'm gonna look at when I can make a vacation. Hm
Yes. All this vacation ahead in the summer. Mm
I don't even have a letter sent. 24 folder
systems are failing me.
Ok.
Um Should we recess and let I print this out? And put our signatures on it. Sure.
I guess we can print it out and our signatures on it too, but I'll leave it. I'll
just say that over our lunch break, Greg and I both figured out that we wanna go
to the Quill scene community Behavioral Health Consortium conversation. So that will
need to be noticed. Adel and I did copy Carolyn on that email. 14th of June 13th
of June 13th.
Sorry. Ad L you're doing a lot today. We're good for three people.
Ok. Well, let's recess till 230. Sounds good. I can ask you guys another question.
Oh, we have a recessed yet, have we? No, no, no. Um I keep getting these peninsula
early childhood coalition meeting. Is anybody attending those? I, I attended some
Yeah, feel free to just, you could reply no to all of them. Ok. What about the um
human services collab on the 11th? I know that you've been going to those a lot Heidi.
I have been and I have an overlapping uh conflict at the last half hour of that.
So I was planning on just going for the first half hour. Ok. I mean the first hour.
Yeah, I have a conflict with the Shelter Coalition too. So
sorry, I was just noticing complex.
All right now, I think we are recessed until 230. All right. Ok.
You always,
do you mind holding that we're not in session? So could you comment? We do public
comment on this part of the,
you're gonna do public comment. Ok. Let me just double check but I'm quite sure we
added it says public comment on the agenda. Yeah. Ok. All right. So put non-compliance
on the agenda. That's
the doctor
I have. There's not 230 on all of my brain. Mhm.
All right. And you're coming back into session after a brief recess and we have our
weekly status report on the shelter at the American Legion. Yes, thank you very much.
Uh The game continues to be afoot. I I kind of uh previewed the biggest, the biggest
change uh in up in calendar in this, this morning and in briefing, excuse me. Uh
so kind of to reiterate that first and I, I think that we'll be joined by Gary Kester
online. So if you could keep an eye out ad l for either he or Heather Dudley and
that just in case, yeah, go ahead and invite uh Heather to come over. Um So there
was uh as as we discussed last week, still a lot of interest in looking for other
agencies with more experience in this sector to manage the shelter. I did manage
to get an emergency meeting scheduled with the American Legion Executive Board Thursday
evening. And uh I had kind of asked before about both Bayside and dove house if they
were open to the conversation and both agencies indicated a willingness to have the
conversation. Um I see we're joined by Heather Dudley Neet, thanks for being with
us, Heather. Um After the uh at the board meeting, I I floated the idea to the American
Legion Board. Um They also, I have some other stuff from that meeting to report as
well, but they were amenable to it. Um So it would involve a couple of different
things, including more adjustments to the memorandum of understanding between the
American Legion and the county to be a three way agreement between the County Legion
and Bayside. Um and a whole other, a bunch of other stuff as well, basically,
but uh it seems like a really good outcome. Um And, and then I will kind of, I
guess uh so what we're talking about then is the county still maintaining the rental
contract with the American Legion, taking care of utilities and then all operations
would be subcontracted out to uh Bayside. So it would be a three way agreement, you
know, we'd be inviting Bayside to the C which I believe has been scheduled for what
day it's been submitted, submitted but not scheduled. Ok. With the Gary is, oh, yeah,
let's bring Gary Keer over as well. I believe that Bayside has a board meeting Wednesday
where they will make a final decision, you know, they can't really take this big
new programmatic change, of course, without their board approval. So they've still
got steps to go through, but in a moment, I'll turn it over to Heather or Gary and
they can kind of talk about how they've been proofing it. We shared the budget document
that Judy and Sarah and I had been working on for them to use as well. Bayside was
very clear, they don't have financial resources to contribute to it. So it's
based on, on a fully funded budget for operating it. And I think we've got the funding
as we discussed earlier from the housing fund board for, we anticipate being a year
of a year of operations from July 1 2024 to July 1 2025 with the hopes that of course,
there's a second round of that to continue the bridge operation of the shelter. Um,
yeah, I mean, those are the big points. I, I guess I don't wanna, uh, I can keep
talking but I'll, I'll see if Heather has anything that she wants to add or, or I
guess if there's any insight over the weekend that, that Bayside developed.
Mhm.
That we
thanks for that Gary. And that's, that's definitely one of the barriers that we've
heard about from some of the advocates is the early morning, you know, out the door,
even mitigating that a little bit, I think would go a long ways. And I think something
else that Heather and Gary and I talked about on Friday and we've had really brief
conversations to date is this policy council that's kind of come out of the shelter
coalition. And I just wanted to affirm that if Bayside can take on managing the shelter,
it doesn't obviate the need for the shelter coalition and still hope to keep working
with that group to bring additional support, volunteer support in kind meals and
things like that. The shelter at its most successful is not one agency running it,
but one agency managing it and many, many hands lightening the load. So regardless
of who's running it, the intention is to keep that shelter coalition going and hopefully
to build a policy council that has input on to the guest rules and other things like
that, that includes folks that with lived experience, hopefully folks living in the
shelter as well as the landlord, the American Legion and I will connect you Heather
with the, with the commander of the American Legion via email when we get off here
today. Um um So, you know, I think there's still a lot to be figured out and not
a lot of time to do it. Um But I, and I assume that you guys have connection with,
with icap staff, with Terry and those that are in direct operations of it. Um So
we we're meeting the shelter coalitions meeting tomorrow at 11 a.m. to continue this
conversation and see how, what you know, what Bayside needs to be able to take it
over and, and to just kind of keep building on the partnership that will um I think
for this to be successful, we have to continue the duration of this operation.
Yes.
Yeah, meals can add up really quickly if you're not getting those as an in kind donation.
And that does seem like the kind of thing that a lot of the churches have indicated
an interest in helping with. I guess one question I have is, you know, we were, we,
uh, the Housing Fund Board committed to a funding recommendation to the board of
County Commissioners, which I, I'm quite certain we would support, um, for funding
at a, a, at a, a fairly, I'd say minimal level, you know, really, just kind of continuing
the services that have been offered to date. Um trying to have two staff people there
at all time. But, you know, and that was, that was a fairly trim budget. I mean,
they, they didn't ever have two people there in the last couple of years of operation.
Yeah, but I think for our risk assessment, right. We were, we were looking at two
or two plus. Yes. And I'm not sure if that's a mandated, uh, I mean, I don't know.
I'm sorry, I interrupted you. Finish your question and we'll let Heather answer.
I'll just, um, you know, so there, there's still some unknowns in what the revenues
we have coming to us from Department of Commerce. But we made some assumptions in
the housing fund board to fund to about 220,002 10 maybe. Yeah. Well, yeah, again,
I'm certain on the exact amount from commerce. Um So, you know, I think the, I guess
just in terms of kind of you doing your due diligence bay side, um You know, do we
see if can you can are able to meet that budgeting amount or would it require potentially
somebody looking for additional funding sources? Like are you gonna work on creating
a budget and saying this is what we could do it for for the next year? And can we
come up with that? Just curious how we're gonna uh approach is the organizing principle
gonna be in, in deciding whether this is financially feasible.
Hello.
Yeah, just fyi a.
I just want to call out that. I think that the last budget we were working with the
Housing Fund Board, there's been a few floating around that had already eliminated
the um expensive meals. It was under the assumption that we would also be using um
community groups to do meals. So it's a very different staffing model too and, and
you know, union staff and, and I mean, kind of different, different staffing. But
one thing I, oh I wanted to say before Judy takes over is there's a lot of fixed
costs too that the county is gonna be addressing right? If the county is has the
contract for the rent and the utilities, which is still an open point of negotiation,
you know, that many of the fixed costs will be in the county side, I believe. And,
you know, largely the variable costs are gonna be at Bayside where, yeah. So we just
got to make it kind of, it's a complex shell game, not a shell game. A the same rev.
Yeah, very fixed revenue. So, yeah. Yeah. Uh, Judy. Oh, sorry. Do you want to respond
to that, Gary?
Yeah,
sorry, Jenny.
But a lot of technical assistance though, right, Judy. Yeah, they'll help
um anything we want to try and hammer out today or are you gonna bring this back
next week? I'll, I'll keep bringing it back. It's pretty live issue right now. I'm
sure I'll, I'll get together with Heather and, and Gary and, and Judy probably as
well and, and Philip Hunsucker, we've got a lot of contract stuff. I mean, right
now just getting, getting the, the documents in order to be able to do that C A is
kind of the most time critical piece. Um hopefully with Bayside regardless, we still
have to get those, those documents ready and, and moving forward. So I'll bring more
to, I'm sure there'll be more to report next week moving fast. Super grateful. Grateful
to you guys, Gary and Heather and Bayside and for entertaining because we were having
a conversation last week and we said maybe someone who's this is, this is their business
would be interested in considering taking this on. And so it makes it made a lot
of sense, I think to all of us last week and I'm grateful for Craig for reaching
out and for you guys being willing to have the conversation. So I just wanna express
that gratitude.
Yeah.
Ok. And you say the Shelter Coalition tomorrow meeting? Yep, usually on Tuesdays,
but because we're meeting today on Tuesday, it was pushed to Wednesday, but we're
meeting every two weeks now and I, I anticipate that continuing through the um with
whoever shows up through at least uh July operation, uh handoff hopefully and then,
um, and then as needed after that.
Ok, great. That's, I mean, that's, is that not enough?
It's enough for me. It's exciting. Oh, you know, we were gonna do um uh public comments
as well on this item. So, Heather and Gary, um Judy, if you don't mind sticking around
just in case any questions come up that you might be able to help answer. Ok, great.
So I'll start in the room. We have Maggie here. I, I believe wanted to provide public
comment and then we'll open it up to uh folks in the zoom room. Ok. So I have a question
and that is um, three or four times a week. The legion has
parties upstairs in which they violate the
sitting noise ordinance and there is much stomping on the floor
and music and what have you and for us being down in the shelter,
it's like being buried in a coffin and being stomped on while you're alive.
So I have a question for you when that goes on till 3 a.m. Do you think any of us
are sleeping? No. So it's not a shelter where people sleep
three or four times a week because the legion is playing music and
stomping upstairs and it's not a shelter where people eat because they barbecue and
they bring rodents and then it is blamed on the residents in the shelter. Any
comments? Thank you, Maggie. Anyone in the zoom room like to provide public comment.
If so, please hit raise hand.
I do not see any. Um Would anyone like to respond to Maggie's questions? I'd like
to respond to it. I appreciate the comment, Maggie. Um You know, I think there has
as often between landlords and tenants and attention. Um I hope they're not having
parties until 3 a.m. but one of the, one of the, I mean, like anyone else, you can
make a complaint about the uh the uh the noise. Um And I think having both, you know,
residents of the emergency shelter and landlords at the same table is the way that
we can work through some of these issues. You know, they're complex and I know it's
not perfect, but I think that everyone when they actually sit around a table and
start to hear, you know, how their actions are impacting others are. It's, you know,
different than Facebook. So I hope that we can work through those issues in a constructive
way.
Yeah, I'll just say too, it's, I, you know, one of many reasons why I think we know
this is not the ideal location for the shelter and, um, and the part of the desire
to move it to a more appropriate location where there wouldn't be incompatible uses.
You know, the, the legion is, is serving its uh mission by what it's doing upstairs
and uh you know, have, have agreed to host for many years and there are incompatibility
issues there. And um I'm not sure if there's a way to resolve them other than to
get us a new shelter built, which we're trying really hard to do. So all I'm saying,
I'm sorry, we got, we're gonna wrap up. People can't hear. Yeah, sorry. And ok, one
more minute at the mic, but you've got to be at the mic in light of that. Um, you're
gonna excuse people who choose to camp outside because the shelter is not a
place to shower, go to the bathroom or sleep because the
showers get blocked. Uh for erroneous reasons. They said the light was
out. It wasn't, it was because of flooding and also they had duct tape, a working
toilet. What was the reason for that? Don't know, but it was completely duct taped
from top to bottom. So you couldn't get into the stall, but there was nothing wrong
with the toilet So I'm just saying a shelter where you cannot sleep, you cannot eat,
you cannot shower and you cannot go to the bathroom. Is that really a shelter again?
And so if people camp outside and they get arrested, is it really a shelter?
I think in a courtroom, they would say no, that's not a shelter. Thank you.
All right,
just thanks to, you know, Heather and, and Gary, you know, for being here and, and
for being here. So, uh I really appreciate your time today and, and consideration
at Bayside for taking on this, this uh herculean task. So, thank you. I was just
reflecting on the noise, the noise issue and I was remembering when I owned a restaurant
in downtown Park towns and there were hours, there are noise at, there are hours
which you can't be loud. So I just think chewing the chewing up what we're hearing
with what the actual um, ordinances or resolutions of the city say would be
helpful, I think. And what I, what I found in my really quick look is it's 1 a.m.
So there shouldn't be noise until 3 a.m. but that may not be being enforced. I don't
know.
Thank you. All right. All right, thanks everyone. Thank you.
So, everything on our agenda today, I think it is. Yeah. Um
Is there anything else you wanna cover?
I think we've done a good job of filling in the cracks where, where we've gone today.
Thanks for taking the lead on this Greg. It's a big, big mission.
I still wanna help out. I'm, I'm still gonna come to both of you for volunteer shifts
and cooking some food down there. So that's how, how we can all help out. Yeah, totally.
And I think to, you know, start thinking beyond faith groups, to other community
organizations for meals. Yeah. No, II, I think that's really true. There's an advocacy,
advocacy group that's very strong, there's the faith based groups that are, you know,
struggling with their congregations, right? Uh you know, uh attendance at all sorts
of different uh faith based organizations really went down, especially even during
COVID and everything. So, yeah, finding ways to get those. Uh um yeah, more people
in, however, we're grouping ourselves, we uh we, we all benefit from the operation
of the shelter. Yeah, I do worry that one of the challenges will be that, you know,
Bayside in bringing their uh mission and good name to this, you
know, could very well want to be making changes that we don't currently have a budget
for um improvements. You know, I'm sure there's room for improvements. We know that
the facility has been out there um maintained for years. And I think they recognize
the temporary and bridge bridge like conditions of this, of this work, but I'll make
sure to amplify, you know, we understand that everything can be improved and, but
sometimes we're doing some kind of zero based budgeting to create a new, what is
the facility that should replace this? And uh we don't want to do that and do this
in our conversations too. They talked about different construction methods. They're
using um like modular buildings to really bring down costs and increase speed. And
I don't know, it might be worth considering for the purpose built shelter as well
to look, you know, have one more, look through those plans and see. Can we do it
for less money and faster?
All right. Mhm. Anything on your end mark? No
problem. All right. And opposed to adjoining early. No opposition to that. All right.
But we are returned until next Monday. What is that? You're gonna be virtual first?
Is that right? No. Third. Did you say you're gonna be? Oh, that was July 1st. You
were gonna be virtual. No, I'm all confused. I think I'll be here next week. Yeah.
Um Yeah, but
sorry. So that will be the
jeez, sorry. My calendar keeps. Yeah, June 3rd. Yeah. All right, great. Thanks everyone.
Have a good week.
He also got to get the owl camera. Is there any, do you know if anyone is checking
it out tomorrow or anything? Um It doesn't ring a bell but I can maybe before I leave,
I can just make sure if I need to drive back down and get it tonight. I will.
It's a crappy loner though.